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from the Steel City I bet you all good

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evening good morning good afternoon

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wherever you may be Across the Nation

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around the world my name is Leah Prime

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and this is the invisible night school

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for those of you just joining us the

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invisible night school is a small

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Consortium of lay researchers and

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Scholars pursuing the study and

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exploration of ufology a high

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strangeness and the phenomenon ins is

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not a monolith we represent varied ideas

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backgrounds disciplines and experiences

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and seek to engage in good faith

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dialogue with other curious minds

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tonight we are joined by Jeff from

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strange Recon uh some of my favorite

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conversations in this space have gone on

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with Jeff I've joined him a couple times

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on his own show you can catch it in the

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morning links Below in the show

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description to his channel we're also

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getting some pretty amazing comments

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from our guests about Jeff

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we've heard that he uses his own thigh

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and that he is an eight foot two ton

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monster who can Palm a medicine ball so

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Jeff

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without any further delay I'd love to

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welcome you to the Stream

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thank you for having me and all that was

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true yes wonderful

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um and I'd also bring on my amazing

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co-hosts I have Campbell

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Nick and of course Lewis gentlemen

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happy Wednesday how are you

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very well

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I am lost in the sauce

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I'm having a real one

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um it's been an exciting week in the

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universe lots of

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stuff going on kind of behind the scenes

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um but mostly I'm excited to buckle down

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and talk about weird stuff with all of

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I'm especially happy to have uh yeah

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um it's great to have you here what are

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you what have you been up to recently

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uh just harvesting nonsense you know and

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in regurgitating it back up for people

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on the internet and for them to tell me

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that I'm wasting my time stuff like that

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no I I think uh recently I just been

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looking mostly into uh measurement and

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topics I'm not my background at all

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so that it's just a lot of random

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really long and weirdly

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put together government documents on

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things like that because they the

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in the equivalencies are found in

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ufology constantly and they have been

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for for me for my entire life and I've

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slowly recognized that just that just

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what ufology actually is and it's just

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like the other side of the coin to

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our counterintelligence work and our av

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whatnot in the clandestine work out

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there anyways yeah so I've just been

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digging into that constantly that's all

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I do really and tell bad jokes on the

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however how are you guys doing anyways

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yeah Jeff I wanted to hear your opinion

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on this whole uh balloon uh thing

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um like UAV balloon and how the

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government kind of was acting a bit

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initially like you had the US Air Force

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extraterrestrials out and uh it's

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things and of course now information

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shared so quickly so many people found

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out that it was balloons but then they

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just found a different way to celebrate

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it it's they started celebrating as it

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was like the first step then now now we

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got these balloons under control we

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possibly the one we're looking for this

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unknown unknown not

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perfect representation of what always

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a super awesome divising on on the

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bottom of it can still be a major asset

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to a first world nation in 2023 and it's

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been told by ufologists for I don't know

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you know craft that are going to the

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other star systems and back and there

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and and we have all this ability we're

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fighting Wars in places and they're

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trying to weave all these other experts

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this is a problem

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and it's just this just doesn't make

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sense and when that happens you see like

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a mass change in ad hoc decisions and

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and reasoning and all that and whatever

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and I think it's a perfect time to look

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at and reflect upon what's what it's

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been like in ethology in the past and a

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balloon on multiple occasions has been a

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balloon Parts in people's backyards and

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uh things like you know of course

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Roswell whatever you say whatever people

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believe it is I believe it was a balloon

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anywhere what do you guys think

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intentionality behind that that uh the

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way they were speaking about it I don't

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know if that comes from like just

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individual personal beliefs or

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it I did think it was interesting I

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didn't think that that was necessary to

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say you know we didn't

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maybe that just welcome China

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we have to look at is you know what

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exactly a balloon is because I've tried

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to just joke around say like do we we

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call our phones phones but you know

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now uh so uh they they're really not

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that at all but a lot of there's a lot

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of just very primitive advancements I'm

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sorry primitive technology being used

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with lightweight batteries and things

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little bit more agile in the air and be

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and linger in the same spots for longer

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without using the ways they were doing

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it for the last 70 years essentially so

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when someone calls things a balloon when

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other departments are calling them uas

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as in unmanned aerial systems or uh or

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some other departments are calling them

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you know pilotless vehicles or whatever

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you know like it's it's really hard for

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a single person to summarize like 20

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some odd different intelligence

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organizations and militaries and unit on

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the ground that that so I can understand

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in some way but then also the West

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thrives on propaganda we don't tell

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anyone anything normally you don't tell

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your friends anything because you're

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afraid you can hurt their feelings we

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literally live off the idea of just kind

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people you know something ambiguous and

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weird and kind of let's just see where

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it goes and we could be the most

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advantageous we can on wherever this

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goes that seems to be a very common you

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know factor with a uh with a lot of

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ufology anyways just because it I think

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a cover story before something happens

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can be can be problematic with all the

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variants are are variables out there but

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you know letting it letting the chips

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fall and seeing what kind of happens and

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then deciding afterwards seems to have

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narrative floating around with these uh

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balloon encounters that they are some

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kind of uh spycraft right it started

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abundance of satellites uh orbiting our

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planet why why would we uh expect to see

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balloons or light aircraft as as a spy

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technology well we got to stop right

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there sir because you said satellites

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and I know satellites are in space no

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girls never told me that satellites

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don't have to be in space are you saying

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to me that satellites can be not in

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space but like this is something that

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um when you have these conversations in

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ufology my God it's like when I tried to

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read one of those uh what does that

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um HBO show with the dragons and the

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swords and The Game of Thrones Game of

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Thrones yeah I tried to read the books

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like a long time ago and I couldn't

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because I had to stop and like say the

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word out loud for the name of the new

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Lord every 12 seconds I'm like oh my God

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I couldn't get through Dune for that

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reason too many too many names

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um I uh so but I it just

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there's a lot of explaining from a lot

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you know I'm not the best explainer of

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things at all but there's there's a lot

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of we have to stop and explain things to

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people and a lot of stuff I'm learning

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on the go as well like I just this whole

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like the story of balloons in general

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you see that

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it became something that we're seeing

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with uas right now in aviation right now

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it's something for everyone to do

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essentially you see that there are 50

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some odd thousand balloons in the air

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you know for scientific purposes

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children are launching these programs

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the stem things I mean there are there's

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non-stop being launched and people are

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constantly experimenting with different

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materials that that they can go higher

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and higher and last longer and they can

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assemble them up there there's a couple

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really interesting people on Twitter

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that share their stuff all the time

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um Michael Powell I always get his name

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wrong but uh JP Labs I think it is but

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he has this giant triangular you know

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Delta shaped balloons that are flying

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way up there and his ideas uh he

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constantly says

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he's one of those people that really

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reminded me that exit velocity

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we know exit velocity as the story told

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To Us by people trying to get in and out

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of the atmosphere as quick as possible

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for mostly military and clandestine

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reasons

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that's that's what we know about going

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to space whatever but there's people out

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there like in the balloon world they're

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like what about balloons balloons and

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like this is constant you know that you

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can get to space it just takes a lot

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longer using a system like this and uh

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and you also have to use multiple

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platforms and but it's the same thing

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we're doing now we just do it really

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quickly and uh and it's just a you know

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long story so anyways yeah the Spy

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balloon stuff

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is

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in the in the game of figuring out

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windows and worm or in loopholes rather

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whatever you want to call it to get

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through our our stuff that the uh Rogue

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away article from 2 uh 21 in the war

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zone it summed it up so great because

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and it really

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it was so real that it like crushed

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people's Souls it was like I'm not

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kidding I saw people in ufology deflate

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like when they read this who actually

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gave give evidence a chance you know

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what I'm talking about the people look

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at things that go oh gosh and

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they read that and they saw that oh my

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God how could something so amazing like

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the world's most expensive awareness

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radar you know uh you know integrated

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system that speaks from satellites to

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assets out in the field can see over the

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curvature of the earth basically can

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communicate with satellites that are far

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enough away to see one third of the

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earth anyway so it's like

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How could a balloon get past that that's

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not fair we've got 300 billion dollars

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over the course of eight years you know

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you could you know it's like you know

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that's and that's something that people

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don't even understand so of course they

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just shift away from it and they're

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talking about the more special cases

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whatever but the Spy Bloom thing is very

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real it's going to keep happening it's

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going to happen from countries all over

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the place under the guise of scientific

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missions and that's the way we did it

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and they'll do it the same way they'll

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use a lot of front companies or they'll

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use the military and to say who cares

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um and they learn from how we did it now

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they can afford it that's another thing

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we've been doing it for years as well I

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suppose

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on our allies on our on them on our

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adversaries competitors we give people

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the tech and then we watch them oh what

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are they going to do with us you know

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like I say Tech but that could be

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literally a gun right right a tool of

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some kind

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yeah it's also been very apparent to me

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over the last couple weeks is this his

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unfolded is how much of a political

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Implement ufology is as a subject for

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the right wing in America because who

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we're seeing entertain and play into

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these Collective fantasies about UFOs

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it's Marco Rubio it's Timber chat right

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because this is the Trojan Horse into

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unwinding and undermining institutional

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faith drawing attention to

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um government mismanagement and also the

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ancillary benefit of drumming up

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financial support for increased

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surveillance and kind of that saber

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rattling

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um you know and I think this is this

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subject I've always been so struck by it

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as a vessel

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um particularly of recent in

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um promulgating and supporting basically

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these totalitarian fantasists that

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infest our government

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there is um I would say that it

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definitely exists like exactly how you

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just nailed it obviously I mean that I

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love anytime anyone says saber rattling

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and stuff like that yeah that's pretty

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good uh but usually I charge for that

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Jeff but you're gonna get free tonight

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there is you there is I do think though

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that with there is that thing though we

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have to worry about about blending about

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this is why I just hate politics in

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general but because I kind of

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yeah that's where the that's where the

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alien shape shifters are right there I'd

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say because a lot of these people and I

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experience it firsthand they literally

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play Both Sides like so good they'll be

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on TV that day and then having drinks

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with their adversaries that way and

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you're like what the hell like these

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people are supposed to be like hate each

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other like they just do on TV this

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person literally is trying to kill

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children and like that and then they're

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on you know it's like this is I mean I

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they're like actors at best I I grew up

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with a friend and his dad held a

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position that was you know for where we

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lived it was very high up and I just I

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was like shocked at the reality of what

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the lives they lived in real life and

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even when they would be like I guess I

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have to actually work and like put like

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adjust their tie and like like start

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being up it was insane it was like they

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were robots yes but then I see it

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outside of that and I noticed that

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they're in general the there's such a

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vast majority of people on the right

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side of things in politics that support

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a like you know just being like American

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dominance you know I think

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it's and that kind of just is so

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outweighs the other side because you're

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not going to have a bunch of college

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kids being like yeah we should go to war

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like you know that's not that's not what

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what is this like that's not gonna We're

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Not Gonna See younger generations and

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people in general uh uh that have always

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come from a side of more

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diplomatic probably response on anything

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in life to to be shouting War so yeah

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it's super

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in fact

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I can think of my you know since I was a

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child there was so many times where that

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image of like a even just in general the

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image of like a white blue-eyed alien

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you know what I mean like is is just

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like we can't get any more possible like

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and then the gray alien wasn't always

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the alien I mean we still have that book

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you just someone just mentioned earlier

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I believe right the uh Bledsoe book yeah

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orb of God or UFO of God yeah and yet to

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read it so I can't you know whatever but

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I mean I've kind of followed the story

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from a different few different

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perspectives and people have broke

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contact from me when they recognize that

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I maybe wasn't necessarily asking all

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I believe that there was a transforming

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cow in the woods I don't know what

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um I I said that specifically to be a

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little bit like a jerk I'm not gonna lie

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because I I find that a little bit

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insulting sometimes when they have waves

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of people that's that will come at you

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for questioning like what and anyways

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but

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of course this

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this image of uh

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of what these aliens were from like Nazi

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Germany links and all this stuff has

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lingered in ufology for a long time and

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I think that's also helped like keep

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bolster those numbers of that alt-right

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type of weird take on on things and it's

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it's kept it like a safe spot for a long

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time because

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a lot of people in the conspiracy world

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really really really

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truly believe that there's some sort of

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magical link with the Nazis and like

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it's almost like it's like their Christ

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is coming back like that's what that's

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yeah I mean what strikes me too is how

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much of this winds up tired if not

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directly to the Nazis kind of obliquely

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and with these ideas around a blood

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Quantum and genetic predisposition and

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um

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I have had it's interesting because I

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can think of a recent conversation I had

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with someone in the community who is a

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self-proclaimed experiencer

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who basically came after me and said

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Leah I know you're an experiencer I know

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you have all this stuff going on blah

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blah blah blah blah and looking at me

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right I look like this nice Baltic

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Viking whatever goddess right and then I

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say well you know I'm Jewish right and

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that stopped the conversation like right

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in the tracks because they thought that

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I was coming from Scotch Irish or Nordic

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background and I'm like no I'm Eastern

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European Jew and that tends to blow up a

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lot of those fantasies too

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um there's always this kind of strange

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blood link or fantasy or mystical

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whatever blood you know blood and soil

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connection

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um that seems to continually arise and

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we see this I mean we see this kind of

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uncritically presented

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and some of the research and work being

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done right now right people trying to

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find uh genetic connections to

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experiencers I think it's compelling I

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think it's really interesting I think

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it's worth surveying and exploring but

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I'm also extremely

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um

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hesitant to uncritically like use that

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as a lens to explore the subject because

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I think it can also confer kind of value

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judgment or hierarchy onto people that

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is then used to dehumanize and denigrate

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right that feels to me like The Logical

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conclusion of these conversations

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um or of This research

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you're kind of talking about genetic

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superiority there and how do you how do

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you use

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people's experience as a control and

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these kind of days how are you verifying

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this independent line yeah

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I'll I'll let Jeff talk in a second but

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like what I keep coming back to with

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this stuff is that like it's not that I

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think experience or phenomenon isn't

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real because I think a lot of it is

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um or at least in very general senses

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like these ideas of spiritual emergence

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and Awakening and stuff but I don't

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think it maps to empirical science like

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like I don't think the way the the kind

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of scientific method as it is done now

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is the appropriate framework to explore

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these experiences I think they are

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better and best explored through things

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like myth and analogy and um like these

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larger more like qualitative lenses

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rather than just straight let me take a

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brain scan and see if a part of your

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so again it's it it's uh it comes down

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to kind of the issue with all the

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different facets of the um the UFO

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Superstition is like how do you

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determine the causal link between any of

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these things just like vehicle

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interference like we talked about a

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while back like even if you do see

553
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,000
something strange and your car stalls

554
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,760
you still can't like conclusively say

555
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:01,919
that those two things are connected

556
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:03,960
right unless you

557
00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:06,480
kind of understand the mechanism between

558
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,140
them so yeah I think I think they can

559
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:12,000
bring scans of people who have had

560
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:16,740
experiences is uh is quite a leap

561
00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:20,400
yeah I certainly agree on all the things

562
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,120
that were just said and I gotta tell you

563
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,159
um I think a lot of unethical things go

564
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:28,080
down when you start putting these really

565
00:22:31,610 --> 00:22:29,580
General statements out there like Steve

566
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:31,620
long and that chat I said about the

567
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:33,600
chosen like what do you what do you

568
00:22:36,890 --> 00:22:34,860
suppose that happens to a lot of people

569
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,900
looking for answers for on I mean this

570
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,640
is just in my opinion of course I'm not

571
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,020
a doctor I'm some jackass on the

572
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:41,280
internet with the microphone I apologize

573
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:43,860
I'm sorry but the the idea is like what

574
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:44,940
do you think

575
00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:49,740
could be right because I've I've spoken

576
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,640
to people firsthand who who ended up

577
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,620
coming you know diagnosed with uh

578
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,880
schizophrenia and I asked them

579
00:23:01,070 --> 00:22:58,440
specifically how did it start like what

580
00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:01,080
was going on I and I found that to be

581
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,760
Beyond interesting as a person who's

582
00:23:07,549 --> 00:23:04,799
already studying UFO stuff for like 15

583
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:07,559
16 years at that point and one and she

584
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:10,500
said it was it was voi it was uh well I

585
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:11,880
spoke to two people first one was it was

586
00:23:15,890 --> 00:23:14,100
voices and the voices were saying things

587
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,900
that seemed rather insightful and then

588
00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:17,520
they started taking the position of

589
00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:20,580
their like their relatives and then

590
00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,340
after a while the voices probably after

591
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:25,260
like four months of hearing this and it

592
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,539
was only ever when a fan was going on or

593
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,520
noise like a buzzing at night they'd

594
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:31,440
hear like these straight you know and

595
00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:34,380
suddenly uh the voices started saying to

596
00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:36,539
do like horrific things you know and

597
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,100
clearly that wasn't their loved ones

598
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:39,840
from the past telling them to go murder

599
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:43,140
their child or something and um and so I

600
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,000
I've I just started but then but I what

601
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:47,640
I know what I learned after hearing that

602
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:49,020
and then started looking into it a

603
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:50,700
little bit I recognized just

604
00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:53,640
what happens when someone gives you a

605
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:55,260
little like little empowerment a little

606
00:24:00,169 --> 00:23:58,440
confirmation and and they just do it for

607
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,179
the price of a of a conference ticket

608
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:03,000
and you go there and suddenly you you're

609
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,100
not

610
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:06,720
undiagnosed like some a-hole on the

611
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:09,480
internet just said you're actually in

612
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,820
communication with these things

613
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,400
in the rest are all effing Liars

614
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,260
no no no I'm sorry about that I don't

615
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,520
mean that because I do I've had

616
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:19,679
experiences that I specifically really

617
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:21,659
worked out hard at trying to debunk and

618
00:24:25,250 --> 00:24:23,220
I really could and I still am left to

619
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:25,260
this day believing someone's got some

620
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:26,880
fantastic Tech on this planet and when

621
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:29,340
and we don't know about it or or I'm or

622
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:31,380
I and most my friends over there and saw

623
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,960
that uh or are all insane so I don't

624
00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:36,480
know but I I do say that the vast vast

625
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:37,380
majority of people hearing something

626
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:39,419
from Dr Gary Nolan like that and that's

627
00:24:42,890 --> 00:24:40,919
who we're talking about

628
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,900
um you've been this shows now the

629
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,159
analytics and the driver right off the

630
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,080
thing that's great I've already have UFO

631
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:48,780
Twitter banged for my blood so

632
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:52,260
uh but keep down this path he's uh he's

633
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:53,820
he seems like an interesting character

634
00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:57,059
and and I I really do feel like he he is

635
00:25:01,930 --> 00:24:59,820
out to prove valet rather than out to do

636
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:01,940
anything else he's out to he's out to

637
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,100
make sure that valet is to is like you

638
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,559
know uh Albert Einstein was to Isaac

639
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,200
Newton and valet is to I don't know what

640
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:14,640
the hell he just wants to make sure that

641
00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:16,140
everyone's gonna remember ballet forever

642
00:25:22,750 --> 00:25:19,020
he's flat out said it he said it and I

643
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:22,760
think that that's a weird Hill to die on

644
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:25,380
what is he even dying on there's a grand

645
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,299
projector and we're all in a ultrasound

646
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:29,820
ultrasonic hologram I don't what is it I

647
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,590
um you know I want to call out a comment

648
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:38,340
here from the earth about how voice

649
00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:39,779
hearing is really common and not

650
00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:42,360
necessarily a sign of any mental illness

651
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:44,279
um and I also think of that that quote

652
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:46,020
from Joseph Campbell right like The

653
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,700
Psychotic drowns and the waters in which

654
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,380
the Mystic swims with the light right

655
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:51,659
like there are these variabilities in

656
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,940
internal ontologies cosmologies and

657
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,340
experience and I think the amount of

658
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,799
variability is honestly so unknown and

659
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:01,080
unexplored because it is so taboo it

660
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,020
tends to be so readily pathologized

661
00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,179
um but I do agree as well that you have

662
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:08,039
this spectrum of experiences where you

663
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:09,480
do have people that are basically

664
00:26:15,769 --> 00:26:12,419
experiencing some kind of psychosis

665
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:15,779
um or Mania in a deleterious sense that

666
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:18,840
are co-creating their experience with

667
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,179
people that are encouraging it

668
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:23,220
yeah because they refuse to basically

669
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,080
critically look at the Spectrum of

670
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:27,539
experience it becomes a binary of good

671
00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:29,220
bad instead of

672
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:32,279
okay manageable ecstatic or mystical

673
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:33,960
experience and then the sort of other

674
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:36,360
bucket of actual mental illness you know

675
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,039
like one of the things that stanislav

676
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:40,380
Graf who really studied this stuff like

677
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:42,120
the distinction he always Drew was that

678
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,559
spiritual emergence led to the

679
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,539
re-aggregation of a sense of self like

680
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:47,820
there was a reconvergence but that you

681
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:49,260
know when you're dealing with

682
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:52,500
Mania or psychosis you increasingly deal

683
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,299
with a fractured sense of self it

684
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:56,220
doesn't kind of re-aggregate the way it

685
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,360
does

686
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,320
um and that was sort of one of the

687
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,000
heuristics that he always used to draw

688
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,200
the distinction between the two

689
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:05,340
I should I can I just say real quick I'm

690
00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:07,200
sorry that I I do when I say these

691
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,820
things that I'm just saying nonsense I

692
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,980
you know I do feel like one of the

693
00:27:14,269 --> 00:27:12,360
things that we'll notice right away is

694
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:14,279
that there's so much I've left out and

695
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,480
we've in all of us because we have

696
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,340
limited tweets and limited whatever so

697
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:19,080
much we've left out I do want to add

698
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:20,760
real quick that I don't think ever I

699
00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:22,200
shouldn't have joked right I said that

700
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:24,539
at the end no you're fine I just want to

701
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,179
say that that I I also feel like there's

702
00:27:30,909 --> 00:27:28,740
all types of things in that Spectrum as

703
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:30,919
well that are far away from any type of

704
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,720
uh actual encounter with something or

705
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,760
even maybe a spiritual awakening because

706
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,159
do you know the amount of people that I

707
00:27:41,930 --> 00:27:40,080
feel like are in and this is just not

708
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,940
some random thing

709
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:44,220
they're like in a tech psychosis I think

710
00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:45,659
you know a thing or two about that right

711
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,820
and and a lot of just just on visual

712
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,380
awareness of the world living in New

713
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:54,779
York City alone people will die just to

714
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,220
look at an effing tweet on their phone

715
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,799
they're incapable of recognizing what's

716
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,960
around them very well and I

717
00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:03,240
I do I don't know if I I just feel like

718
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:05,340
in general there are people that have

719
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:08,220
find like emotional Awakening for the

720
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,480
first time in their life they won't even

721
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:11,039
know what it feels like to cry or

722
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,539
something or like feel like they've

723
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,880
Loved Someone or you know and they'll go

724
00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:16,020
their entire lives without feeling

725
00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:17,700
anything but whatever the hell is on the

726
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:19,740
TV show whatever it's very idiocracy

727
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,500
like and we know this exists and then

728
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:24,840
they'll experience something that a lot

729
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:26,940
of other people have felt a lot earlier

730
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:28,320
in their life and become adjusted too

731
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,779
and maybe have explored a denser palette

732
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,279
of things out there and those people

733
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:33,840
will then

734
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:36,840
tell that emergence like like it is

735
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,580
something more magical like the person

736
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:40,440
that quit cigarettes through going to

737
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:41,159
church

738
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,559
and somehow feels it so great that that

739
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,200
it's this encounter

740
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,480
they know it is real and I'm not saying

741
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:49,679
again anything in church or whatever

742
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:53,820
kill me after the show but you're fine

743
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:57,000
do you think just that um this whole um

744
00:29:02,390 --> 00:28:59,220
like all the people some of them that

745
00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:02,400
you mentioned like Nolan of valet a lot

746
00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:04,860
of them were involved in like secret

747
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:07,020
um psychic stuff and also in

748
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:08,940
psychological warfare like that goes

749
00:29:13,630 --> 00:29:11,159
back to nightcap

750
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:13,640
um and also many technology um

751
00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:17,279
engineers and Military uh Lockheed

752
00:29:23,210 --> 00:29:19,980
Martin or NASA people as well do you

753
00:29:24,529 --> 00:29:23,220
think that this is all kind of a um

754
00:29:26,269 --> 00:29:24,539
do you think there's like some sort of

755
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,279
coordinated effort here or is it just

756
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,919
kind of fragmented groups of people kind

757
00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:31,679
of with a sort of converging set of

758
00:29:42,669 --> 00:29:39,110
I definitely do not think there's some

759
00:29:46,010 --> 00:29:42,679
top-down effort like Werner Von Brown

760
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:46,020
conspiracy the UFO Legend with character

761
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,159
you know

762
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,520
Carol rosin and I don't think that's

763
00:29:54,289 --> 00:29:52,679
even close to legitimate do I think that

764
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:54,299
it can be pitched that way as easy as a

765
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:55,679
person with really good creds going on

766
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:56,940
some

767
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,380
degree absolutely I mean look look how

768
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:02,880
easy people that are seemingly

769
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:06,240
unaffiliated with anything uh can sway a

770
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,159
narrative for years like it's been like

771
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:09,840
five and a half years now or six years

772
00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:11,820
now of this whole thing and it's still

773
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,460
going and to some degree but um I do

774
00:30:18,049 --> 00:30:16,200
think people are advantageous as hell

775
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,059
and certainly certainly places that are

776
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:19,440
involved with this very thing because

777
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:22,260
uas has been in our lives for so long

778
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,640
and I'm not saying that all of ethology

779
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,440
is ues but it's such a part of it

780
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:27,179
especially with the emergence of

781
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:29,640
swarming technology from countries that

782
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,179
now can afford like an Air Force that is

783
00:30:36,590 --> 00:30:35,039
like 10 times the size of the United

784
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,600
States if they really wanted to I mean

785
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:37,679
just because we don't they don't have to

786
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,779
print things out of the material that we

787
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,159
might own or something in it now that's

788
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,399
ridiculous to think about but it's

789
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,320
you know it's it's a different time and

790
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:48,179
and because these technologies have been

791
00:30:51,529 --> 00:30:50,220
and and the software that runs them have

792
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:51,539
been in uh

793
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:55,620
uh you know uh probably used

794
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,240
well I know how they're being used by

795
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:59,039
civilians now but but probably being

796
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,840
used in ways that we wouldn't want to

797
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:02,520
know about our broadcast for a long time

798
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:04,020
because they're involved with some of

799
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,340
the most sensitive operations out there

800
00:31:09,889 --> 00:31:07,440
I mean that's why we end up finding out

801
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,899
about things like the manta ray uh like

802
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:12,120
45 years later or something you find out

803
00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:13,860
this little tiny uavs flying around in

804
00:31:17,389 --> 00:31:16,140
the 70s and it's completely stealth it

805
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,399
can get by anything and you can pretty

806
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:19,919
much load what you want on it and you

807
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:21,240
know it's

808
00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:22,860
I don't know I just don't think I just

809
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,539
think it's at a you know a few things

810
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:26,460
had to go down and and public awareness

811
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:29,340
of like you uh how we can't defend

812
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:31,260
against swarms we can't defend against

813
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,240
all this stuff it's impossible the way

814
00:31:36,169 --> 00:31:34,919
we have our infrastructure it's insanely

815
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:36,179
impossible if you really think about

816
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:37,740
what a swarm could do with a little

817
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,720
explosive on each of them to a sensitive

818
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:41,700
government location that has a bunch of

819
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,940
old like security guards like our

820
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:47,039
special forces 40 years ago like you

821
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:48,899
know like sitting on the place guarding

822
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,100
what are they gonna do shoot him out of

823
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:52,140
this guy it ain't gonna happen this is a

824
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,600
terrifying time to recognize what we

825
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,640
probably should have

826
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,679
if I had my weight it would have adapted

827
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:01,140
it into society a long time ago and had

828
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:03,000
you know the you know the worlds figure

829
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,260
out what to do with these things and

830
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:06,600
make us a lot better and at certain

831
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,000
things but no I don't I don't think uh

832
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:11,039
since some sort of effort but I do think

833
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:12,539
people will definitely take advantage of

834
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,740
something that's happening and it's been

835
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,120
happening and they

836
00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:17,279
and they know it is and it's it's out

837
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:18,539
there the information is out there too

838
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,679
for the public but most people aren't

839
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,880
going to read this crap on the internet

840
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,080
they don't

841
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,840
they could care less well Jeff you uh

842
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,000
mentioned incendiary bombs from the

843
00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:28,980
Imperial Japanese Army in World War II

844
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:32,100
and those were born out of a top secret

845
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,380
atmospheric science program they

846
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:36,480
discovered the jet stream and

847
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,539
immediately militarized it and there's a

848
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:41,520
very long history of atmospheric science

849
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:44,880
being at the top levels of secrecy David

850
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,880
T Griggs geophysicist UCLA was one of

851
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:49,860
the co-founders of Rand extremely

852
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:52,620
knowledgeable on atmospherics

853
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,940
um you know and then related to that we

854
00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,960
have a bunch of National Security

855
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:56,820
documents that present a pretty

856
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:00,360
compelling argument saying that

857
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,820
um the UFO subject could be exploited by

858
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,039
foreign powers to have people interested

859
00:33:09,889 --> 00:33:07,200
in UFOs dig up

860
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,899
block projects through filing freedom

861
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,760
information act requests to try to get

862
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:13,740
out to you at the real UFO thing or

863
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,679
whatever so like you know there are real

864
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:18,179
legitimate National Security issues

865
00:33:23,149 --> 00:33:20,940
going on here we are sort of touching on

866
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:23,159
things that we know they don't really uh

867
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:24,600
you know for violence reasons don't want

868
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,600
people to be poking at um what's your

869
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:29,880
sort of like rationale for focusing in

870
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:31,860
on this kind of project

871
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,690
um I don't know I I have a lot of I have

872
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,100
I have a lot of people I have a lot of

873
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:43,919
fun I want to fix unresolved problems I

874
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,000
don't know what's wrong with me I just

875
00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,799
like to do that I have a I have a

876
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:49,260
problem with that uh uh you know that

877
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:52,860
old expression uh in boxing if they

878
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,039
reach you gotta teach and uh

879
00:34:00,169 --> 00:33:58,380
it just reminds me of so many times like

880
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:00,179
growing up where I was involved with

881
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,340
like a paranormal topic where someone

882
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,559
knew I didn't know

883
00:34:09,050 --> 00:34:07,320
someone out there in the group that I

884
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:09,060
was with standing on this ancient

885
00:34:14,030 --> 00:34:11,639
Monument or in this little tunnel that

886
00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,040
was supposedly used or whatever though

887
00:34:19,609 --> 00:34:17,159
and uh and you know and and someone and

888
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:19,619
they didn't tell me they sold it as some

889
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,540
sort of horse crap that I that you know

890
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:23,639
that was just and I little by little I

891
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:26,159
would see that of all and I and I and I

892
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:27,540
just said I've been interested in this

893
00:34:32,290 --> 00:34:30,780
topic in general uh you know since my

894
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,300
childhood and had a weird experiences

895
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,339
and like strange enough that I in

896
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,619
general would spend a lifetime talking

897
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:40,379
about it and uh looking into it but also

898
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,060
then I spent time in the military and

899
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:44,220
deployed and seeing what it was like

900
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:45,839
working on the tail end of a DARPA

901
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:47,580
program and I'm just like

902
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:50,520
oh my God it's obvious it's more than

903
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,960
obvious

904
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:53,879
um I still am open though to the idea

905
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:55,379
that aliens could come here I'm not one

906
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:56,520
of these people that are super into the

907
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,200
Consciousness aspect of anything and all

908
00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:00,420
that stuff the uh esoteric topics of it

909
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:02,339
mostly because as a sailor I've said

910
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:03,660
this so many times in my show I know

911
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,520
what it's like to look at land for days

912
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,440
and never be able to get there

913
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,079
um and it's like look at

914
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:12,480
when in 1995 you go to a Princeton

915
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:14,220
website and it would tell you there was

916
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:18,060
like 300 exoplanets have been discovered

917
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,240
this is crazy it's not just us it's not

918
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,859
just like that's like what it was like

919
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:24,480
and then that all kind of went away now

920
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,720
it's like 3048 have been discovered 3

921
00:35:33,050 --> 00:35:30,540
000 it's like no one cares and to me all

922
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,060
I'm thinking is that's land out there

923
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,640
like land oh my God that's land out

924
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:37,740
there and we're gonna skip right all

925
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:39,480
past the idea that something might be

926
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:41,339
just slightly older than us since we

927
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,420
know we can send something to another

928
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:44,460
star system in a relatively short time

929
00:35:50,410 --> 00:35:47,820
uh Yuri Mildred's project Yuri Milner's

930
00:35:53,210 --> 00:35:50,420
project with uh with um

931
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,220
yeah and uh what the hell is a star star

932
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:55,800
shot what is it uh I believe so yeah

933
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,240
yeah and there's just so many other

934
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,700
obvious advancements and as the as that

935
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,740
you know that

936
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:03,780
The Story Goes about sending things far

937
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:05,099
off and away and fast and you're just

938
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:06,119
going to keep getting better and better

939
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:08,460
it's like you know that that is

940
00:36:14,329 --> 00:36:11,940
happening but it's happening so so fast

941
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,339
that I Believe In Our Lifetime we will

942
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:16,500
have been close or gained something back

943
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:18,660
from some other something rather

944
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:20,460
incredible out there that's moving at

945
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:22,020
least in a way that uh that we need to

946
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:23,579
send something out of our solution to

947
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,420
see

948
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,760
um because we can I mean it's not that's

949
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,260
the thing too I just had so many

950
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:29,760
conversations with so many people that

951
00:36:32,510 --> 00:36:31,380
worked in engineering Aerospace my

952
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,520
entire life and they'll always say the

953
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:33,839
same thing they were like

954
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:35,220
what do you mean we can't get to other

955
00:36:39,349 --> 00:36:36,780
star systems

956
00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:39,359
put up the money let's do it like they

957
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:40,680
know they like they're not they're not

958
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:42,180
the ones that don't think they can do it

959
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:43,800
it's like the it's like this just this

960
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,440
thing we say can't do it too far

961
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:48,660
and it's just it's just kind of the same

962
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,480
concept of like we we fly I oh I'm gonna

963
00:36:54,349 --> 00:36:52,560
do it I'm gonna try not to break into

964
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,359
one of my things we get on these awful

965
00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:56,640
airplanes I love it I should be grateful

966
00:37:02,270 --> 00:36:59,579
we can fly across the country we're not

967
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,280
on horses we're not on car in car we can

968
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,800
fly it's great but they're awful they're

969
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:06,900
slow we could have been flying a lot

970
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,380
faster we were as humans we will we will

971
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,140
disable our own ourselves for the uh you

972
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:15,660
know and and and cannibalize our own

973
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,060
markets just to like slow something down

974
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:20,280
and complain about loud noises meanwhile

975
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,359
we could be flying around the world

976
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,040
really really quickly like we've been

977
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:25,680
this is old technology and for some

978
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:26,940
reason we're pretending the Chinese have

979
00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,099
leapfrogged us and it's just I don't

980
00:37:32,450 --> 00:37:31,079
know

981
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,460
Jeff we're getting a couple questions

982
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,920
from the audience the first is from the

983
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,020
earth can you describe some of your

984
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:39,119
experiences particularly the triangle

985
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:44,810
um it was a dark and stormy

986
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,579
actually well it wasn't uh I was driving

987
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:49,920
home summer I believe 1997 I think I I

988
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,839
think I know it was 1997 because my

989
00:37:56,329 --> 00:37:54,060
brother had brought home Ultima Online

990
00:37:59,630 --> 00:37:56,339
in Alpha and we were playing the first

991
00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:59,640
world MMO it was great and uh I remember

992
00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:01,020
he played it we played it there was like

993
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:02,520
20 people it was like a living world

994
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,859
literally like in my mind as a child I'm

995
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:06,240
seeing another dimension with an

996
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,560
ecosystem and it was just great I

997
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,359
remember these days very vividly I was

998
00:38:16,010 --> 00:38:12,359
you know anyways but I uh we come home

999
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:16,020
to feed the horses and um and uh right

1000
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,160
at the end of the day and the sun's

1001
00:38:23,150 --> 00:38:20,400
going down in Massachusetts and this

1002
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:23,160
freaking triangle

1003
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,079
shaped aircraft you could clearly see it

1004
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,599
was a black aircraft Blue Sky white

1005
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:29,579
lights on it way up there like like we

1006
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,760
lived outside of Boston we know not we

1007
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,900
don't know like I'm not saying like I

1008
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,520
know because clearly everyone can

1009
00:38:39,250 --> 00:38:37,320
misidentify things in the sky

1010
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,260
we can spend five years talking about

1011
00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:41,339
radar decoys

1012
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:42,359
um

1013
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,980
I looked up it looked like plane height

1014
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:46,380
it was 7 000 feet up roughly that's what

1015
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:47,640
it looked like to me it looked like the

1016
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:48,900
same height we would see planes

1017
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,300
constantly fly over this town in

1018
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:53,460
Massachusetts and uh the bridge you know

1019
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,700
Bridgewater area of Massachusetts and uh

1020
00:39:03,589 --> 00:38:59,760
and we took a few steps and I remember

1021
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:03,599
this is a vivid memory just as Vivid is

1022
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,339
seeing the craft up close this aircraft

1023
00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:07,680
I look over when we're at the corner of

1024
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:10,140
the garage and I look over to the swamp

1025
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:11,880
that's in my yard and we called it a

1026
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:13,380
pond when we were trying to sell the

1027
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:14,220
place

1028
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,280
um and uh it was

1029
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:19,380
all the trees were smashing together

1030
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,140
like like literally like whamming

1031
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,480
together and my mother and I both were

1032
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,680
like what the heck and all of a sudden I

1033
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:26,760
heard her

1034
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:29,940
yell holy [\h__\h] as loud as possible uh

1035
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:32,339
she yelled it as loud as possible and

1036
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:33,660
she was just looking like this and I

1037
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,980
looked up and this thing was no longer

1038
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:37,320
like way up in the sky it was it was way

1039
00:39:41,569 --> 00:39:40,320
closer I mean even she says to this day

1040
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:41,579
that it was only a few hundred feet over

1041
00:39:45,650 --> 00:39:43,980
the trees and it was like it to us it

1042
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:45,660
was like someone had you know someone's

1043
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,820
blimp was gonna crash on our heads and

1044
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:49,680
she didn't do like what's classic in the

1045
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:51,420
movie she didn't freeze

1046
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:54,660
and just oh I could she she screamed and

1047
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:55,500
ran

1048
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:00,000
sat there oh like you know this is

1049
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:03,660
awesome and it listen my memory is is

1050
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:06,300
just is uh broken as everyone else is on

1051
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:08,099
the planet and I have told the same

1052
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:09,720
story so I'm probably repeating more of

1053
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:11,160
the story than the actual memory I mean

1054
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,420
what am I supposed to do go back to the

1055
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:15,599
past and relive it it's impossible but

1056
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:19,200
this thing was cool enough to

1057
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:22,200
I just remember once a couple things in

1058
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:24,900
in this instant uh and one of them was

1059
00:40:29,930 --> 00:40:27,480
that it slid sideways it's it literally

1060
00:40:32,329 --> 00:40:29,940
looked like it went and like slid down

1061
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,339
sideways and like leveled back out and

1062
00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:34,440
then cocked a little bit to the to the

1063
00:40:37,069 --> 00:40:35,700
field across the street and it was right

1064
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:37,079
over our swamp now and we're looking at

1065
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,880
from the side it was uh I have all these

1066
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:41,040
goofy drawings on my computer

1067
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:41,820
um but

1068
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:44,040
it was uh

1069
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:47,099
it looked like a solid aircraft

1070
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,760
it had the it was all black uh uh

1071
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,800
gunmetal black the Sun was shining out

1072
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:54,180
the front of it and when the sun was

1073
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:55,920
hitting it right off the front it wasn't

1074
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:58,020
black you could clearly see just like if

1075
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:01,020
you have like a standard issue M M4 from

1076
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,339
the Army and looked at it with a light

1077
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,079
on it doesn't look black it looks almost

1078
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:06,720
like shiny it's like a it's a metallic

1079
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,579
looking uh

1080
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:10,440
whatever anyways um but uh this thing

1081
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:13,079
was um once it started moving forward

1082
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:14,820
I could see the rear end of it and the

1083
00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:18,060
rear end of it wasn't black it was

1084
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:21,660
bare metal color and it uh like silver

1085
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:24,359
metal like in it I've I've this is the

1086
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:25,500
way I've described it he's not as a

1087
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,480
child like you know like toenail

1088
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:29,520
clippers with a curved front to them you

1089
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,900
know what I mean it looked like someone

1090
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:33,060
had gone up and cut

1091
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:34,440
like that's what it looked like it

1092
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,180
looked like these even Cuts in the back

1093
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:38,160
where it almost like pinched the metal a

1094
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:39,839
little bit and you could see that it was

1095
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:41,520
it looked like it was like broken off

1096
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:43,859
like but it was at perfect lines up the

1097
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:46,260
back of it and it just carried on the

1098
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:47,940
the lights weren't some sort of magical

1099
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:50,520
light to the today I even my mother she

1100
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,900
was like they they remind me of like

1101
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,520
what LEDs look like today you know like

1102
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,500
powerful LEDs that's all she described

1103
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:57,420
it like and so I don't like attribute

1104
00:42:01,849 --> 00:41:58,619
anything to like some they were the

1105
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,859
power source they look like lights and

1106
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:03,839
um and it just flew off in front of us

1107
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,400
and we watched it we just watched it

1108
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:06,720
flying over the trees heading right to

1109
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,040
the nursing home but it followed the

1110
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:10,560
water kind of like right right along and

1111
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:13,980
uh and I spent my life hounding Otis Air

1112
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,740
Force Base and and uh trying to trip

1113
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,180
them up and see if I was going to get

1114
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:21,060
you know figure out if they were gonna

1115
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,859
Spill the Beans the kid on the phone

1116
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:24,480
finally they're gonna figure out if you

1117
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,160
know oh this is a an adult you know that

1118
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:31,619
type of ridiculous stuff and uh you know

1119
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,640
it's uh it never worked but um there was

1120
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,160
also I I just I just kind of grew up in

1121
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:40,320
seeing ufology in a regional place and

1122
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,109
the people around here are

1123
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:50,640
the it's it's a they're very paranormal

1124
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,140
people I don't know if you would say if

1125
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,520
I could say that right that's it like

1126
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,619
like most people around here

1127
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:57,900
we'll we'll say like ultimately I mean

1128
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:59,579
yeah ghosts probably exists like they'll

1129
00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:01,319
use ghosts like the word like the word

1130
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:03,420
and then like it means something

1131
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,040
like there's an actual thing walking

1132
00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:07,500
around like entities and those things

1133
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,099
kind of made me ride the idea that that

1134
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:13,440
could be something else for a long time

1135
00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:15,960
and I still don't know but

1136
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:18,060
it was as legit as as it could be when

1137
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,500
it comes to a close encounter with a

1138
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:21,480
with a with an aircraft up close and we

1139
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,040
measure the distance it looked from over

1140
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:25,800
our house to the Dead End Road and um

1141
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,020
right near us and it just was

1142
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,720
awesome regardless if it was human made

1143
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,400
if it was alien or whatever it was it

1144
00:43:35,809 --> 00:43:34,560
was awesome I'll just say that

1145
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,819
um but

1146
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:37,200
having seen what I've seen after all

1147
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:38,760
these years I would not be surprised if

1148
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:42,180
if like GE had something locked up in a

1149
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:44,099
patent for forever had produced it and

1150
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:45,420
was like you know what we'll wait till

1151
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,400
the market wants to use this and they

1152
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:49,140
feel ready for that you know there's a

1153
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,700
lot of entitlement happening out there

1154
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:52,740
in the Aerospace World for for the

1155
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,180
future of Aerospace

1156
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,940
did anyone else see that anyone else in

1157
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:58,740
the neighborhood no just my mother

1158
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,020
myself and we forever looked at like you

1159
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:02,940
know new folk reports and things like

1160
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,000
that uh not her I did and uh um to see

1161
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,280
if anything else but my the only thing

1162
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,560
that I can say

1163
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,300
see this this is a problem with it

1164
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,940
because it happened beforehand so a

1165
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,280
woman named Linda Arsenault I shouldn't

1166
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,260
have gave her last name away anyways um

1167
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,480
she's a very nice woman she manages

1168
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:23,520
horses for professionally really high

1169
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,560
grade you know like Olympic horses and

1170
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:27,780
there's a place in Massachusetts and if

1171
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,339
you know the area of Bridgewater and

1172
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,440
this hakamak swamp area you'll know that

1173
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:33,359
these three lights so to speak in this

1174
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:34,740
other this triangle has been seen there

1175
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,700
but I don't really care about other

1176
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:37,920
people's cases so much except Linda's

1177
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,220
because she called my mother

1178
00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:43,920
yelling about it she called her one day

1179
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:45,720
a few weeks before saying that these

1180
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:47,579
balls of light that came out in a

1181
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,020
triangle shape and flew around together

1182
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,119
and then suddenly as she was watching

1183
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:53,099
them they like burst apart in different

1184
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:55,800
directions and flew directly at her and

1185
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,380
Campbell they sounded like you know what

1186
00:45:01,790 --> 00:45:00,000
people have described it sounds so much

1187
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,800
like what you've talked about before so

1188
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,780
many times it's unbelievable but because

1189
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,000
they were a triangle she saw them in a

1190
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:08,220
triangle shape locked together like

1191
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,140
moving together everywhere and not

1192
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,599
enough floaty around possibly Chinese

1193
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,599
lanterns way Lantern way it was it was

1194
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,880
and you know rightfully so because then

1195
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:19,380
she called us described it and then

1196
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,060
within like two or three weeks after

1197
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,700
that we saw this experience and for some

1198
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,260
reason my mother and her both agreed

1199
00:45:29,569 --> 00:45:28,200
that that was the same thing but I

1200
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,579
didn't see lights

1201
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,280
that I don't know I saw like a physical

1202
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:35,280
aircraft for me I I didn't to this day I

1203
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,780
still can't really get behind the idea

1204
00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,599
that I saw something

1205
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,359
diminishing the light in the sky or

1206
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:44,280
whatever and it looked like it was an

1207
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,440
aircraft I mean it was on it was moving

1208
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:48,000
the trees I think I mean it could have

1209
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:49,140
been I guess it was happening the same

1210
00:45:53,170 --> 00:45:51,900
time could have been the wind but it was

1211
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:53,180
oh

1212
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:56,220
I I personally just I I remain open to

1213
00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:01,250
there is just no good reason to release

1214
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:04,260
the iPhone 50 right now you know not

1215
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,819
when the market in the Market's out

1216
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,160
there you know it's just sorry I've

1217
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,079
Discord thing going off like crazy or

1218
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,480
not get out of here you know well the um

1219
00:46:16,849 --> 00:46:15,000
the Earth actually who uh asked you that

1220
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,859
question about your experience you uh

1221
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,780
shared a

1222
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:20,880
um an anthropology paper recently it's

1223
00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,740
alienation and Aliens compared a study

1224
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,880
of narratives of abduction and

1225
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:25,980
historical African and UFO experiences

1226
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:27,540
and I thought it was really neat that

1227
00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:29,940
you were describing the cultural context

1228
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,540
when you first interpreted your

1229
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:35,040
experience uh because in here the author

1230
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,960
writes that

1231
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,660
um believed narratives are formed around

1232
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:41,940
cultural and historical occurrences

1233
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:44,819
occurrences which relate extraordinary

1234
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:48,000
phenomena to pre-existing patterns of

1235
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,339
social relation so you had an

1236
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:52,500
extraordinary experience and your

1237
00:46:56,930 --> 00:46:54,180
cultural context shaped that

1238
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,940
interpretation of that experience and my

1239
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:58,079
understanding is that your

1240
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,079
interpretation shifted over time and I

1241
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:03,780
would love to hear your description of

1242
00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:07,260
what produced that change

1243
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:14,809
uh encountering charlatans for too long

1244
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:17,400
uh would be the basic answer

1245
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:18,900
um just encountering liars like I was

1246
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:25,730
um you know I I just uh I just don't see

1247
00:47:29,809 --> 00:47:28,200
any reason why we can't do the things

1248
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:29,819
that have been claimed so often by

1249
00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:31,319
ufology

1250
00:47:35,569 --> 00:47:33,660
um and I'm I don't work in Aerospace I I

1251
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:35,579
was in the military and I've certainly

1252
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,839
been out of the military a lot longer

1253
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:38,160
than I was in the military so whatever

1254
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,420
that means

1255
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:41,640
um you know I've served in the civilian

1256
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,619
life just as long as I've realized but

1257
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,740
it's it's it's it's I just don't see why

1258
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,780
humans can't do what's been claimed and

1259
00:47:53,089 --> 00:47:50,400
if you look at everything that's been

1260
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:53,099
said there is a wave Gap there's a

1261
00:47:56,329 --> 00:47:54,300
little bit of a wave Gap with a lot of

1262
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,339
things but if you look hard enough

1263
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,740
we were trying most things that we have

1264
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,480
today that we see like these awesome

1265
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,920
inventions that we have in our hands

1266
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,720
there was someone doing it in a folk

1267
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:05,819
Tech way someone had figured it out

1268
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:07,560
before I mean these aren't like just

1269
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,720
some of them are in certain ways but

1270
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,359
most of them you know are not one-offs

1271
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:17,150
to me I just am so I spent every single

1272
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:19,020
day now trying to like create a business

1273
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,000
out of my little show and I get to sit

1274
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,280
in Marvel of human accomplishment and I

1275
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:25,920
wish that I could go look at the

1276
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,920
the history of alien science and

1277
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:30,900
engineering I wish I could but I I don't

1278
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,420
have any of that and I I just feel in

1279
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:35,040
general that even though I had some

1280
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,300
pretty remarkable experiences I'll

1281
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:39,000
remain open to Something That We're we

1282
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:40,560
don't understand yet I mean for gosh

1283
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,819
sakes

1284
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:43,920
I mean we don't I mean you people all

1285
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:45,300
know way better than I do look how

1286
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,160
humans have viewed themselves in the

1287
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:49,740
time they're in and how just how we know

1288
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:51,660
what we're talking about you know not

1289
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:54,119
like those ones back there you know and

1290
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:55,800
we've done that a few times I don't know

1291
00:49:01,329 --> 00:48:59,760
if we uh so I it would not surprise me

1292
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:01,339
to some degree and I do like Eric

1293
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:04,440
Weinstein's uh thing he said on Rogan

1294
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:07,020
thing I watched that little clip I trust

1295
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:08,220
me I can't get through an episode of

1296
00:49:11,650 --> 00:49:09,240
that

1297
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:11,660
um uh there is um

1298
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:14,220
but one day I hope to be on so no I

1299
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:16,079
didn't mean that I think he's a bright

1300
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:17,280
guy

1301
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:19,260
um if you want to sell anything in the

1302
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:20,579
world one day you can make a name for

1303
00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:21,780
yourself and blame the scientific

1304
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,339
community and hope you land on Rogan and

1305
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:26,160
then you have launched off career

1306
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:28,859
uh

1307
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,480
I was saying whatsoever but I I think

1308
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,400
Eric Weinstein kind of hit it though

1309
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:37,920
when he said that there's uh

1310
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,720
there's just like this idea we should be

1311
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,980
looking at a few things and I don't like

1312
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,960
to call it Zoo Theory whatnot because

1313
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,119
it's it instantly

1314
00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:47,520
or Zoo hypothesis rather uh it instantly

1315
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:49,140
attracts like that that same thing

1316
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:50,099
you'll get with a lot of things when

1317
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:51,480
someone says it's all Consciousness or

1318
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:53,700
so it makes it really hard to have that

1319
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:56,579
conversation but I will say that

1320
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,420
as someone who has spied on people

1321
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,240
you know gone out as a soldier it had to

1322
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:05,940
do my job in the field it is remarkable

1323
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:08,700
how long you can exist in someone's

1324
00:50:11,030 --> 00:50:10,260
comfort zone without them knowing you're

1325
00:50:12,349 --> 00:50:11,040
there

1326
00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:12,359
yikes

1327
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,040
it's true yes

1328
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:18,599
uncontacted indigenous groups right now

1329
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:21,960
on Earth we're doing it to ourselves uh

1330
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:24,780
in many different places uh on Earth and

1331
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,420
uh you can imagine the experience of an

1332
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:29,520
uncontacted individual seeing a plane

1333
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:30,780
fly overhead

1334
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:32,760
you know watching their family member

1335
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,339
die of sepsis for weeks and uh they

1336
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,720
would be stunning to them that there's

1337
00:50:40,250 --> 00:50:38,819
an easy immediate cure for that and

1338
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:40,260
that's related to what they're seeing up

1339
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,300
in the sky you know so of course it's uh

1340
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,040
not surprising at all to imagine that

1341
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,319
somebody might do that to us

1342
00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:48,780
um Louise would you be okay because my

1343
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:50,940
impulse is sort of similar to Jeff where

1344
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,440
it's like it feels to me like

1345
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,940
statistically there should already be

1346
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:55,980
aliens here I just don't see like strong

1347
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:58,260
evidence of that would you be able to

1348
00:51:04,190 --> 00:51:00,900
just quickly uh remind me what your

1349
00:51:05,569 --> 00:51:04,200
argument was uh several a few months ago

1350
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,579
when we talked about it about the

1351
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:07,440
prevalence of life in the universe and

1352
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:10,500
how it maybe isn't as likely as we

1353
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,540
intuitively think

1354
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:14,700
oh I I think I was making the point that

1355
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:19,380
a complex uh animal okay because there

1356
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:21,240
could be some

1357
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:23,220
um you know if you're thinking about the

1358
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:25,740
history of life on Earth the eukaryotes

1359
00:51:30,049 --> 00:51:28,020
um you know what steps were needed for

1360
00:51:32,809 --> 00:51:30,059
them there might be a very rare set of

1361
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:32,819
events and so you we shouldn't expect um

1362
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,220
complex animals to exist all over the

1363
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:36,720
place maybe it's just like something

1364
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:39,480
like bacteria was that the point I was

1365
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,200
making

1366
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,839
yeah it was you're right this is exactly

1367
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,400
what I was trying to remember yeah so

1368
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,500
it's like it's possible entirely that

1369
00:51:50,650 --> 00:51:48,480
there could be a relatively simple

1370
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,660
transition into basic uh

1371
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:52,559
self-replication but then the transition

1372
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,200
into a more complex thing is perhaps the

1373
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,640
stumbling block

1374
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,559
that's right there

1375
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:00,599
yeah I think that's uh I think that it's

1376
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,180
I I think

1377
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,760
I wouldn't put any weight into the idea

1378
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,500
we're gonna go find a wrench swinging

1379
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:09,599
person anytime soon maybe around on me

1380
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,079
on the next on the next planet but I I I

1381
00:52:18,250 --> 00:52:15,540
I recognize that

1382
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,260
our eye and ear

1383
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:21,359
goes everywhere

1384
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:24,900
at once far faster than we physically do

1385
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,660
and if

1386
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,160
I'm just talking about us I have no

1387
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:30,720
obviously I can't guess the alien side I

1388
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,920
don't like doing really the what if too

1389
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:33,660
much thing but um I would just imagine

1390
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:35,400
that we wouldn't waste our time

1391
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,940
exploring anything looking for other

1392
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,559
intelligent life in the form of

1393
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:41,760
obviously we're going to give off some

1394
00:52:46,010 --> 00:52:44,579
some strong whiffs of us on down on the

1395
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:46,020
planet just like when you live on a

1396
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:48,059
sailboat when you get within Shore

1397
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:51,300
you're like oh my God plants animals

1398
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:53,700
poop perfume I smell so much perfume

1399
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,839
from a mile away like you're just

1400
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:56,160
getting hit with all this stuff of

1401
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:57,300
course we're not talking about literal

1402
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:58,740
smells in the sense of looking for Life

1403
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:00,420
else there elsewhere but we're going to

1404
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:01,740
talk obviously you got to get Tech

1405
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:03,059
signatures at some point on the

1406
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:04,740
discussion of of what you're looking for

1407
00:53:09,109 --> 00:53:07,319
and if there's anything we can relate to

1408
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:09,119
no one wants to land on a planet where

1409
00:53:12,530 --> 00:53:10,740
there's weird slime monsters and that

1410
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,540
we're not gonna have you know but uh it

1411
00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:15,480
I just in general would believe deep you

1412
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,339
know just how we've done things so far

1413
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,200
and what's already up in the sky you

1414
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:21,119
know I mean for God's sakes are up up in

1415
00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:27,829
all right here comes if aliens are out

1416
00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:29,579
there that did swing a wrench and did

1417
00:53:32,510 --> 00:53:30,839
put something together and eventually

1418
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,520
learn to exit their atmosphere to some

1419
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,920
degree and we're to travel elsewhere be

1420
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,020
it physically or with some sort of TV

1421
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,599
that you can look through and uh I would

1422
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,760
suggest that maybe they know exactly

1423
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,200
where to go beforehand and wouldn't

1424
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,599
waste their time whatsoever because we

1425
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,880
as humans are not gonna go let's stop

1426
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:51,119
over here we yes nothing let's stop it I

1427
00:53:54,410 --> 00:53:52,980
we don't have the resources with all the

1428
00:53:56,510 --> 00:53:54,420
time and the efforts that we're gonna go

1429
00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,520
right with us interesting Sparks and

1430
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,440
signals and sniffs and whiffs sniffs and

1431
00:54:02,290 --> 00:54:00,900
whiffs I've never said that in my life I

1432
00:54:05,049 --> 00:54:02,300
want to be clear

1433
00:54:07,809 --> 00:54:05,059
I liked it don't worry

1434
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:07,819
that's a good one

1435
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:10,980
anyways so Jeff um one of the questions

1436
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,980
I always like to ask guests and just my

1437
00:54:18,049 --> 00:54:15,960
friends and contacts in this space is

1438
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:18,059
how their ideas and views on the subject

1439
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:20,040
have evolved and changed over time and I

1440
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,119
was wondering if you could tell us some

1441
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:23,040
of the sea changes you've experienced in

1442
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:25,500
your exploration of this subject

1443
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,640
like uh as in how I just can't take you

1444
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,440
followed anymore or do you do you mean

1445
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,740
like on a deeper level because oh I'm

1446
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:36,240
not I'm not I'm not asking like

1447
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,859
euphemistically or insinuating anything

1448
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:40,440
I'm more just curious about how your

1449
00:54:46,329 --> 00:54:41,700
thoughts on the subject and your

1450
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:46,339
opinions and Views may have evolved or

1451
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,220
shifted or been refactored over time

1452
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,260
well

1453
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,319
um I I think that actually it feels like

1454
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:56,640
I could easily say like I said a little

1455
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,660
while ago that I could sway back back

1456
00:55:01,250 --> 00:54:59,819
and forth and I have and I've gone way

1457
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:01,260
you know back looking into the deeper

1458
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:02,760
things that I I've been open to it I

1459
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:05,460
think in general though if I was to wrap

1460
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:13,730
truly looking into a subject that that

1461
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:17,520
uh that like truly looking into the

1462
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,440
information available on what's up in

1463
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:22,380
the sky be it human created atmospheric

1464
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:24,660
phenomena stuff flying in space whatever

1465
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:27,059
it is uh will lead you to feel like

1466
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,440
ufology is a bleak lonely somber place

1467
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:33,900
and you know and and I think there was

1468
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,819
like a expert on aliens that came around

1469
00:55:38,990 --> 00:55:36,960
was talking about the stuff for a while

1470
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:39,000
it was Lou Elizondo I believe he said

1471
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,140
something along the lines like the

1472
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,240
answers somber now whenever I hear

1473
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:44,160
anyone Talk use the word somber it

1474
00:55:47,809 --> 00:55:45,660
usually means

1475
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:47,819
something sad and depressing and not

1476
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,980
it's not like a it's not a good word to

1477
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:52,079
use to describe the knowledge that there

1478
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:53,160
is

1479
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:58,559
out I just in general feel that it's

1480
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:59,700
[\h__\h]

1481
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,619
oh my God I sound like such a jackass

1482
00:56:06,829 --> 00:56:04,319
right now the I I just I just do not

1483
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,839
believe the story eupology is painted

1484
00:56:11,230 --> 00:56:08,640
for what's actually going on out there I

1485
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,240
just cannot for the life of me

1486
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:14,400
love this topic like I used to it's it's

1487
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:17,339
like impossible so I have to look at it

1488
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,599
and try to stay as objective as possible

1489
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,819
literally I've changed the point where

1490
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,700
the people that have figured out ufology

1491
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:25,260
and by figure out ethology I don't mean

1492
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:26,460
getting the answers of what the hell's

1493
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,780
flying in the sky or providing anything

1494
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:29,400
for people I mean figuring out as a

1495
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:31,500
business I figured out to sell something

1496
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,059
that is almost

1497
00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:35,280
is sure to not be gone until these until

1498
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,859
people are physically gone I mean I mean

1499
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,599
that sounds like rude to say but it's

1500
00:56:45,049 --> 00:56:42,660
just the fact you cannot this is like

1501
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,059
that you know

1502
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:47,760
there's there's a few people shouting I

1503
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:49,800
think uh the the that there's it's time

1504
00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:51,240
for a big shift but that's it ain't

1505
00:56:54,589 --> 00:56:52,920
gonna happen for for another like 100

1506
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,599
years I think

1507
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:56,520
I truly believe this and that's how I I

1508
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,200
feel like it's it's the whole thing's

1509
00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:00,540
gone for me so I just focus on what is

1510
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:02,520
rather than what could be

1511
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,440
and uh

1512
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,960
and try not to break too many hearts it

1513
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,700
is they kind of the Flying Saucer

1514
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:10,800
superstitions part it's been part of our

1515
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:13,619
Collective culture for our entire

1516
00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:15,359
lifetimes and longer I don't think it is

1517
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,339
going to go away so yeah people are

1518
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:19,920
gonna continue to keep finding ways to

1519
00:57:24,010 --> 00:57:22,200
capitalize it I'm sure whether that's

1520
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,020
the government or uh you know

1521
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,640
entrepreneurs I suppose

1522
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:29,520
so yeah it's not going anywhere I do

1523
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,079
have um hopeful that that we are

1524
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,240
changing as a as a as a people to make

1525
00:57:36,770 --> 00:57:34,920
uh you know the the environment probably

1526
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:36,780
a little better to live in to some

1527
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:39,000
degree hopefully depending on whoever is

1528
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:40,680
on the throne at the time

1529
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,020
um but there does seem to be within

1530
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:45,720
Aerospace there's not it's not perfect

1531
00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:48,540
but it there does seem to be a major

1532
00:57:52,790 --> 00:57:50,339
shift and we're seeing it start with

1533
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,800
small Regional Airport places and like

1534
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:54,720
countries a lot of fjords and rivers and

1535
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:56,339
lakes and stuff so they can test out

1536
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,540
these systems and make sure they work

1537
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:59,040
perfectly before we kind of scale them

1538
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:01,140
up but I mean we haven't needed really

1539
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,240
runways and we haven't really needed the

1540
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,520
big airport systems in a long long time

1541
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,200
we haven't needed that type of jet fuel

1542
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,480
in a long long time we didn't need this

1543
00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:12,359
many admissions in in the atmosphere in

1544
00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:15,980
a long long time and it's like it's it's

1545
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:19,020
none of the oil companies are on the top

1546
00:58:23,450 --> 00:58:20,160
10 anymore

1547
00:58:25,309 --> 00:58:23,460
they're Exxon mobil's 19th out of 20 on

1548
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:25,319
in the world running of the world right

1549
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,380
now so it's like we have finally seen

1550
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:30,780
this come to an end and I hope it means

1551
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,940
that those Flying Saucer days that

1552
00:58:36,289 --> 00:58:34,200
people thought were coming are going to

1553
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,299
come and I'm seeing a

1554
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,760
in a Greener so to speak way or whatever

1555
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,859
I don't know but I do think there's hope

1556
00:58:44,510 --> 00:58:42,780
for that so in the sense that the story

1557
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,520
you followed you was pitching for a long

1558
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:46,559
time which is was that this same

1559
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,119
technology that was being used in secret

1560
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:49,920
for a while is finally happening you

1561
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:51,059
know

1562
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,680
um it's really not uh something we're

1563
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:54,000
hoping and praying for we're just

1564
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,980
watching it over time lithium lithium

1565
00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,720
ion comes around everything shrinks the

1566
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:59,280
whole fuselage of an aircraft becomes

1567
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:00,720
the battery we're seeing things have

1568
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:03,540
dual capabilities and veto everything uh

1569
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:05,339
organizations are jumping to it as fast

1570
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,720
as possible because they know it's the

1571
00:59:11,089 --> 00:59:07,920
future and

1572
00:59:13,730 --> 00:59:11,099
we're seeing organizations uh Lobby for

1573
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:13,740
Supersonic and Hypersonic flight in the

1574
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,720
future in the near future that's wild to

1575
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,960
me because it's been around since well

1576
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:20,940
Germany in in World War II they

1577
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:22,380
understood when Rockets fell to Earth

1578
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,900
they were like holy cow look at this

1579
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,760
um so it's obviously it's it's it's time

1580
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:27,839
for a big change and I feel like

1581
00:59:31,370 --> 00:59:29,940
ufologist has played a part and I don't

1582
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,380
even know it because they've been

1583
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:32,940
telling like the Sci-Fi side of it for

1584
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:34,380
so long and what it is and we have

1585
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:36,180
fulfilled that everything

1586
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:38,220
it's the wildest concept like looking

1587
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:39,839
back some of the Blue Book cases of what

1588
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:41,160
people are claiming is happening them

1589
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:42,599
from these flying sauces what they're

1590
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:44,220
doing you can cut out some of the

1591
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:45,900
embellishment probably but what the tech

1592
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:47,640
they're saying is something that we've

1593
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:50,099
had since then and that to me is enough

1594
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,329
could you could you go through a list of

1595
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:58,200
some of the tech like uh proportions

1596
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:00,059
aerodynamics

1597
01:00:06,289 --> 01:00:03,599
Etc just like very quick overview I

1598
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:06,299
think the I think without getting super

1599
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:08,339
specific like Dr Stephen Greer talking

1600
01:00:16,250 --> 01:00:10,859
about physics I would say first first of

1601
01:00:18,589 --> 01:00:16,260
all uh the wind tunnel advancement

1602
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,599
um aircraft susceptibility and signature

1603
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,420
reduction versus Air versus its its

1604
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,240
capability in the air so we're measuring

1605
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:26,760
things essentially on the assets that

1606
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,680
we've decided to put put on them is what

1607
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:31,440
best aircraft in the world can do

1608
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:33,000
could you imagine if maybe we weren't

1609
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,680
making the best aircraft in the world to

1610
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:36,780
hold all these heavy assets and bombs

1611
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:37,980
and things like that and do other things

1612
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,799
so there is a there is a

1613
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:43,440
on evolution of signature reduction and

1614
01:00:47,569 --> 01:00:45,119
the ability for our militaries of the

1615
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:47,579
world to move shoot and communicate and

1616
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:49,079
if anyone wants to get into any of those

1617
01:00:53,390 --> 01:00:51,480
things specifically

1618
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:53,400
um you know look at what the Air Force

1619
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:55,079
has put out and and they put out

1620
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,099
multiple you know pretty long PDFs on on

1621
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:02,400
um a pretty long manuals on uh on where

1622
01:01:06,049 --> 01:01:04,020
they'll see themselves the next 25 years

1623
01:01:08,329 --> 01:01:06,059
and it pretty much all comes down to

1624
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:08,339
shrinking everything down

1625
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,440
um plasma actuators on the wings to

1626
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:12,839
reduce drag another way was a big laser

1627
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,920
Ray literally right in front of the

1628
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:15,240
vehicle where it just blasted the

1629
01:01:18,410 --> 01:01:17,280
atmosphere and then the aircraft flew

1630
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,420
into it

1631
01:01:22,190 --> 01:01:21,119
um uh and there's and of course I think

1632
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,200
the other one that a lot of people just

1633
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,000
are overlooking because it's so basic is

1634
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,880
just the batteries we have become

1635
01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:28,559
traditionally you know to regular

1636
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:30,599
batteries so lightweight and of course

1637
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,980
that's the story of batteries and

1638
01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:33,599
because batteries are so lightweight now

1639
01:01:40,849 --> 01:01:37,319
we see that aircraft uh uh thrust and

1640
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,859
weight uh can be uh

1641
01:01:45,049 --> 01:01:42,960
it's true a good way to look at it is

1642
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:45,059
have you ever sat in a Tesla and pushed

1643
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,619
the gas pedal even compared to a nice

1644
01:01:49,849 --> 01:01:48,000
race car it feels a little bit different

1645
01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:49,859
there's like an instantaneous reaction

1646
01:01:55,730 --> 01:01:52,200
to the acceleration electric aircraft

1647
01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:55,740
are faster they are simply faster than

1648
01:02:00,109 --> 01:01:58,440
than uh than you'll see uh conventional

1649
01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:00,119
systems out there but they're not more

1650
01:02:05,390 --> 01:02:03,720
cost effective and so the the gas

1651
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:05,400
turbine engine as well is another thing

1652
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,440
they they they're beating everyone still

1653
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:09,119
gas turbine's still kicking everyone's

1654
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:10,559
butt even though all these things are

1655
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:12,299
popping up that are like super high

1656
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,339
speed and cool and uh and it's just

1657
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:19,440
if you ever want to see where the the

1658
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,059
country's going in terms of Aviation

1659
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:23,280
just basically look at what the CIA was

1660
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,309
I don't know if it's I guess uh Blended

1661
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:32,940
wait to answer you sorry man Blended

1662
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:35,460
Wing design that's where it's all going

1663
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:37,859
Ron pandolfi how did he get involved I

1664
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:40,079
can't believe that another UFO figure uh

1665
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:41,400
what do you know owns a company that

1666
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:44,460
specializes in this uh had had uh trials

1667
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:45,900
with Boeing back in the day everyone

1668
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:47,579
knew it was going to happen and now you

1669
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,500
see all these commercial airlines in the

1670
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:51,119
and the military say they want a blended

1671
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:52,859
body Wing design a nice wide body

1672
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,920
stealthy uh design and uh

1673
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:57,480
what do you know people that work in

1674
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,180
ufology Pitch the UFO thing but somehow

1675
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:01,920
we're involved with profiting off of the

1676
01:03:04,549 --> 01:03:03,780
the upcoming switch you'll eventually

1677
01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:04,559
see

1678
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,540
anyway

1679
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:08,960
are we out of time

1680
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,299
you have to go another 50 minutes or so

1681
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:14,640
um so we got a question from estimate of

1682
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:16,200
the situation who joined us a couple

1683
01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:18,780
weeks ago uh Thomas the total treasure

1684
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:21,299
let me pull it up here on the stream

1685
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:22,559
um Jeff what are your thoughts on

1686
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,599
detailed reports by our seasoned Pilots

1687
01:03:28,010 --> 01:03:26,400
of intelligently controlled craft in the

1688
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:28,020
late 40s early 50s with clear

1689
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,819
descriptions of visual ID and extreme

1690
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:31,680
Maneuvers and speed

1691
01:03:37,789 --> 01:03:35,180
I first say what were they seasoned with

1692
01:03:39,650 --> 01:03:37,799
no that's a good question I'm an idiot

1693
01:03:41,809 --> 01:03:39,660
uh that's nice

1694
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:41,819
um you know I'm considered a trained

1695
01:03:45,309 --> 01:03:43,740
Observer and I wouldn't trust me

1696
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:45,319
but

1697
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,599
I'm not a pilot uh so I I want to back

1698
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:49,920
up there real quick and just say that

1699
01:03:54,109 --> 01:03:52,079
I'm I'm not I I've flown in plenty of

1700
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:54,119
things but I've never flown

1701
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:55,380
um

1702
01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:57,359
I just

1703
01:04:02,930 --> 01:03:59,880
I think Pilots have shown that they can

1704
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:02,940
be wrong on a lot of ways and a lot of

1705
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:04,260
people will then say well what about the

1706
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:06,059
microfilms or the radar that show this

1707
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:12,349
the development of radar and its use in

1708
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:14,819
communication on on the back or out

1709
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:16,380
there on the Range or on the battlefield

1710
01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:19,380
is an evolving process and I and I feel

1711
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,299
like we've gotten things so so wrong so

1712
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,520
many times that I I'm not really willing

1713
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:24,839
to trust

1714
01:04:29,809 --> 01:04:28,319
the idea that that the Foo Fighter thing

1715
01:04:30,829 --> 01:04:29,819
was as legitimate maybe as he's talking

1716
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,839
about and of course a lot of the Blue

1717
01:04:34,730 --> 01:04:33,000
Book stuff but but then again

1718
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:34,740
you know

1719
01:04:38,089 --> 01:04:36,839
sometimes people do say things and then

1720
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,099
just want to be left alone and have

1721
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:39,599
nothing to do with the attention it's

1722
01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:41,099
someone else to try to you know so I

1723
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,599
don't know I I do tend to give those

1724
01:04:45,470 --> 01:04:43,920
people a little more leeway with their

1725
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:45,480
descriptions I've I've watched it myself

1726
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,040
and right here in Massachusetts so I

1727
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:50,160
don't know I but

1728
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,200
seasoned Pilots look at look at the ones

1729
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:53,760
we got right now talking and as much as

1730
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,020
I respect these individuals for what

1731
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:56,640
they've done you know defended Los

1732
01:05:00,650 --> 01:04:58,740
Angeles on 9 11.

1733
01:05:01,910 --> 01:05:00,660
has been claimed by Jeremy Corbell

1734
01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:01,920
that's a huge I'm sorry I just thought

1735
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,540
that was an hilarious uh title for

1736
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:04,799
someone to have I just I'd never heard

1737
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:06,420
of anything like that in my life uh but

1738
01:05:11,870 --> 01:05:07,319
whatever

1739
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:13,789
two things can be intention right like

1740
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:16,799
we can have sorry human fall ability and

1741
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:19,559
I also have trained observers right

1742
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,299
these two things can exist at the same

1743
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:23,819
time exactly exactly and they and they

1744
01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:26,880
and they uh process of the learning

1745
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,160
process like the Train the training what

1746
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:31,440
how do you get trained someone taught

1747
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:33,000
you how did the person teach you where

1748
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,920
do they get it from they learn there's a

1749
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,440
process that came I oftentimes will try

1750
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,640
to point people to the idea that this

1751
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:40,079
isn't something I know but if you look

1752
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,460
at the if the development of different

1753
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:43,680
types of radar you'll see that even

1754
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,299
things as simple as atmospheric

1755
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:47,599
phenomena or temperature inversions

1756
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,819
became an idea for a weapon you know

1757
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:53,640
like oh we can chase

1758
01:05:58,910 --> 01:05:56,099
nothing you know we can chase the air

1759
01:06:01,849 --> 01:05:58,920
you know in in that and you suddenly

1760
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:01,859
recognize that with these systems comes

1761
01:06:06,770 --> 01:06:04,200
uh they're kind of measure and I and I

1762
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:06,780
think Pilots even today

1763
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,280
they're not talking about stuff they

1764
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,599
should be if they really wanted to add

1765
01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:11,520
Clarity or add some context to the

1766
01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:13,079
situation they they just have completely

1767
01:06:16,910 --> 01:06:14,819
avoided it everything from targeting

1768
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:16,920
balloons to electronic countermeasures

1769
01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:18,420
this is not part of their conversation

1770
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:19,859
so therefore why should I take anything

1771
01:06:22,849 --> 01:06:21,599
they're saying no matter how seasoned

1772
01:06:25,069 --> 01:06:22,859
they are seriously

1773
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,079
you know I just I just

1774
01:06:27,770 --> 01:06:26,400
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything

1775
01:06:30,890 --> 01:06:27,780
like that but what good does it do me to

1776
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:30,900
just say what the other Pilots are okay

1777
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:33,180
why don't you Enlighten us then give us

1778
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,859
some information some inside stuff or

1779
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:36,539
whatever like if you're trying to tell

1780
01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:37,680
us something then tell us it because

1781
01:06:41,750 --> 01:06:39,059
that's not telling you that's like oh

1782
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:41,760
you want to like here you go a little

1783
01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:43,740
treat for you it's just obnoxious and

1784
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:45,720
it's and I

1785
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:47,460
I've heard that my entire life but but

1786
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,380
this is a bigger one than ever I mean I

1787
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,880
don't know same thing as the pilots from

1788
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:52,500
the 50s and the 40s

1789
01:06:58,849 --> 01:06:56,460
I uh maybe you've heard this too I think

1790
01:07:02,029 --> 01:06:58,859
a lot of um UFO enthusiasts you talk to

1791
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:02,039
will gladly admit that they'll they I

1792
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,940
don't know where this number comes from

1793
01:07:07,089 --> 01:07:04,799
with the say like 80 all the way up to

1794
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:07,099
95 of UFO settings are all

1795
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:09,119
misidentifications and hoaxes and

1796
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:10,440
they're saying oh it's that it's that

1797
01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:12,539
ten to five percent

1798
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:14,940
but that 80 to 90 that's a large number

1799
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,619
how are those happening how are those

1800
01:07:19,370 --> 01:07:18,240
misidentifications happenings because

1801
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:19,380
everybody

1802
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:21,960
has the capacity to be the the capacity

1803
01:07:26,210 --> 01:07:24,059
to misidentify things whether you're

1804
01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:26,220
pilot or not like you like you said you

1805
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:28,380
uh you jokingly refer to yourself as a

1806
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:30,299
trained Observer there's no observation

1807
01:07:35,950 --> 01:07:31,440
School

1808
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:35,960
right well yeah the the

1809
01:07:40,730 --> 01:07:38,460
so Pilots

1810
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,740
you said it well the pilots and other

1811
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:42,480
people like myself if I was in a vehicle

1812
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:44,220
or mobile gun system in a vehicle that

1813
01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:46,079
relies heavily on the same corporations

1814
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:48,059
technology placed on just a different

1815
01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:49,380
asset on the battlefield rather than

1816
01:07:54,289 --> 01:07:51,539
being on the bottom of a Recon aircraft

1817
01:07:56,569 --> 01:07:54,299
it's on the top of a scout vehicle for

1818
01:07:59,329 --> 01:07:56,579
the Marines or for someone else and

1819
01:08:01,609 --> 01:07:59,339
you know I have and so many other

1820
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,619
soldiers in my unit you know anyone who

1821
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:03,839
wants to be proficient and understands

1822
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:06,299
and when they're forced to of course uh

1823
01:08:12,049 --> 01:08:08,700
um how to use something you want to know

1824
01:08:14,089 --> 01:08:12,059
what your adversary has so you're given

1825
01:08:16,729 --> 01:08:14,099
Sometimes some things as primitive as

1826
01:08:18,829 --> 01:08:16,739
playing cards or toys

1827
01:08:21,470 --> 01:08:18,839
that's how the soldiers play with the

1828
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:21,480
toys uh but and then you'll see that

1829
01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:24,000
evolve in using certain systems and

1830
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:25,980
capabilities you can go to trading sites

1831
01:08:29,809 --> 01:08:28,199
on post and things like that to see

1832
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:29,819
different targets of these systems you

1833
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,359
become a trained Observer by in and as I

1834
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:34,799
was joking about myself is that because

1835
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,480
you use like a mobile gun system camera

1836
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:38,880
with a web to identify these targets and

1837
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,859
be able to engage them to some sort of

1838
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:43,199
degree where you recognize because there

1839
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:44,819
is no identifying features when you're

1840
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:45,719
looking at something through high

1841
01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:48,060
contrast on a system like this so you're

1842
01:08:52,610 --> 01:08:50,940
just looking at a object you know and if

1843
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,620
you look at that same object enough from

1844
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,960
every possible angle over and over and

1845
01:08:58,249 --> 01:08:56,460
over again like a video game you become

1846
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:58,259
very you know muscle memory it kicks in

1847
01:09:01,070 --> 01:08:59,279
on

1848
01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:01,080
um but

1849
01:09:05,570 --> 01:09:03,480
how do you identify something on a

1850
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,580
system like this as a pilot when it's

1851
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:07,560
far enough away and Mick West low

1852
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:09,900
information Zone which is a great

1853
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:10,440
um

1854
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:12,359
initially how could you possibly

1855
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:14,520
identify something when there's nothing

1856
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,900
else to it other than this black and

1857
01:09:20,450 --> 01:09:17,759
white high contrast video

1858
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,460
same thing with 50 Pilots would it be

1859
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,759
the case that somebody who's trained as

1860
01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:26,400
a professional Observer would they not

1861
01:09:33,530 --> 01:09:28,679
be in the best position to understand

1862
01:09:36,769 --> 01:09:33,540
that they are not a perfect system and

1863
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:36,779
like even one out of let's say 10 000

1864
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,660
observations being imperfect there's

1865
01:09:43,490 --> 01:09:41,759
more than that I imagine happening every

1866
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:43,500
day if you take the entire world into

1867
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,339
consideration so like where like yeah

1868
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,960
what do you think of this uh somebody's

1869
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,880
been in that kind of position like were

1870
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:53,040
you trained specifically to be like I

1871
01:10:01,850 --> 01:09:57,840
can make mistakes come on right

1872
01:10:03,229 --> 01:10:01,860
um well I come from the smart Army time

1873
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:03,239
frame where you're no longer supposed to

1874
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:04,860
be a robotic Soldier you're supposed to

1875
01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:07,860
be a thinking soldier that knows uh all

1876
01:10:11,209 --> 01:10:09,660
the all the tidbit stuff but I I always

1877
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:11,219
thought that um

1878
01:10:15,290 --> 01:10:13,620
that uh that training in the military is

1879
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:15,300
very one way so no I don't think that

1880
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,800
there's like you know as you said it I

1881
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:18,780
don't think if there's not a we don't go

1882
01:10:21,530 --> 01:10:19,860
through some sort of sensitivity

1883
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:21,540
training where we learn to admit our

1884
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,219
mistakes and then backtrack and

1885
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:25,440
recognize flaws and systems but what

1886
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,420
happens is a lot of these systems which

1887
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:29,040
people that are involved in this whole

1888
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,480
story right now aren't really admitting

1889
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:32,159
either which I find weird is that some

1890
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,420
of these things you might work hand in

1891
01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:35,040
hand with a civilian almost in the

1892
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:36,659
entire lifetime of being on the system

1893
01:10:43,610 --> 01:10:39,900
the reason why is because just like a a

1894
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:43,620
PhD working in a lab with post-grad

1895
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:46,500
students if the machine breaks that

1896
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:48,120
they're all using are any of those

1897
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:49,800
students going to fix that fancy machine

1898
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:52,800
no the PHD is going to fix it the one

1899
01:10:56,990 --> 01:10:54,900
that built most of it probably and the

1900
01:10:59,149 --> 01:10:57,000
same thing occurs on these systems on

1901
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:59,159
board that's why we have technicians on

1902
01:11:02,209 --> 01:11:00,420
there and it's funny to see they won't

1903
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,219
even admit that they

1904
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,800
anyways these are not like worldwide

1905
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:06,000
systems that are functioning in the

1906
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:07,140
hands of millions of people all the time

1907
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:08,400
to get all the Kinks out of them through

1908
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,480
quality assurance which I have a little

1909
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:11,280
background as well these are systems

1910
01:11:15,709 --> 01:11:13,500
that do have flaws and those flaws match

1911
01:11:17,630 --> 01:11:15,719
the same flaws that we have as humans

1912
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,640
it's you know we can misidentify things

1913
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:19,679
the system that even now our cell are

1914
01:11:23,209 --> 01:11:21,600
targeting is on their own are doing this

1915
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:23,219
it's

1916
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:25,080
what do you know the systems that we

1917
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,140
made come with flaws

1918
01:11:37,070 --> 01:11:30,360
I know a lot of children out now

1919
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:39,770
I just in general think that we we've

1920
01:11:44,209 --> 01:11:42,360
put too much effort uh in ufology

1921
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,219
telling people that the military is some

1922
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:47,159
sort of iron-clad source of information

1923
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,040
and even worse somehow we care less that

1924
01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:51,960
certain individuals come straight out of

1925
01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:55,560
places that would specialize in maybe

1926
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:57,000
and I'm not saying from top down like

1927
01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:58,739
the wrong orders are doing this but they

1928
01:12:02,450 --> 01:12:00,060
would understand how to apply these

1929
01:12:04,270 --> 01:12:02,460
skills just like myself I left the

1930
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:04,280
military I had two I left the military

1931
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:06,719
unhealthy big time but I I had two

1932
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:08,280
choices I could just go sit at home

1933
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,960
maybe get unemployment for the first

1934
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:12,480
time in my life and then find a job or I

1935
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,340
could go apply the same skills I had as

1936
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,340
a private military person and that was

1937
01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:20,400
huge in my time my military time and so

1938
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,739
I don't see like everyone's acting like

1939
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,600
there needs to be some sort of grand

1940
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,460
conspiracy oh prove it proves isn't

1941
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,199
conspiracy even Louis I know himself

1942
01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:30,560
went on a podcast and said prove it

1943
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:32,520
reminded me of a mob boss from

1944
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:34,940
Providence Rhode Island prove it

1945
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,679
uh and I just thought I just thought you

1946
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:40,199
uh why aren't you like any other person

1947
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,820
has this skill set that leaves the

1948
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:43,440
military and thinks could I go get a job

1949
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:45,179
as a police officer go get a job working

1950
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:46,880
corporate intelligence or our

1951
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:49,860
intelligent Aerospace or work in I.T or

1952
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,480
can I you know what I mean it's like

1953
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:53,280
it's just absurd that someone couldn't

1954
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:55,560
easily sway a bunch of people that are

1955
01:13:00,590 --> 01:12:57,719
right for it I mean literally the people

1956
01:13:02,450 --> 01:13:00,600
that these individuals look for are ripe

1957
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,460
for coercion and manipulation they

1958
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,500
they're a Believer group waiting for

1959
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,480
some answers and some clarity

1960
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:08,820
and uh you can take long you can take

1961
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:10,920
misidentifications by pilots and turn

1962
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:12,960
that into

1963
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,880
any day now are going to shake hands

1964
01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:17,520
with the little green man

1965
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,520
well or the blue-eyed devil

1966
01:13:23,870 --> 01:13:22,320
no I don't know

1967
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:23,880
foreign

1968
01:13:29,450 --> 01:13:26,100
well we've touched a little bit earlier

1969
01:13:32,570 --> 01:13:29,460
on sort of Consciousness and Dr Gary

1970
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:32,580
Nolan and Dr Nolan's an interesting one

1971
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:34,620
because he subjectively I think that

1972
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,320
he's genuine in his beliefs and I mean

1973
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:38,640
maybe it's controversial but I

1974
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,080
personally think that he's one of these

1975
01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:42,719
people who has been convinced by other

1976
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:44,280
people into what he's experiencing

1977
01:13:48,050 --> 01:13:45,719
because he goes into details sometimes

1978
01:13:49,330 --> 01:13:48,060
on podcasts about how he's had these

1979
01:13:52,450 --> 01:13:49,340
lifelong kind of like information

1980
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:52,460
download type of things

1981
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:55,800
other people in his family uh have the

1982
01:14:00,410 --> 01:13:58,380
same experience and his interpretation

1983
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,420
of that kind of experience that you know

1984
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:01,679
you could see through the historical

1985
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:03,659
narrative in a variety of ways is that

1986
01:14:07,070 --> 01:14:05,159
it's some sort of like

1987
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:07,080
super non-human intelligence

1988
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:08,520
communicating with him personally and

1989
01:14:11,570 --> 01:14:09,780
then he gets into all the genetic stuff

1990
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,580
how like some people are like chosen for

1991
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,159
this or whatever that's terrifying

1992
01:14:19,850 --> 01:14:16,800
um from your perspective Jeff you didn't

1993
01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:19,860
describe anything related sort of to the

1994
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,420
Consciousness side you're sort of

1995
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,280
skeptical of that

1996
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,199
um something that we like to touch on

1997
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,880
sometimes is that link to the

1998
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:28,860
Consciousness and sort of psychedelics

1999
01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:30,900
and things like that and how there is

2000
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:32,540
sort of a common

2001
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:35,219
descriptive narrative between those

2002
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:36,900
kinds of things UFO kind of like

2003
01:14:40,610 --> 01:14:39,000
contactees and then like intense

2004
01:14:42,770 --> 01:14:40,620
psychedelics have you had experience

2005
01:14:44,450 --> 01:14:42,780
with psychedelics yourself are you if

2006
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:44,460
you're comfortable to talk about that a

2007
01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:45,239
ton

2008
01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:48,900
yeah okay and uh do you see the

2009
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,300
similarity in the qualitative that some

2010
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:53,520
people involved into a UFO experience

2011
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:58,610
um

2012
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:00,780
yeah because they already like that

2013
01:15:08,689 --> 01:15:05,219
subject but uh I I mean I literally I

2014
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,699
I I I've done it enough for myself to

2015
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:10,800
recognize that sometimes I have

2016
01:15:15,410 --> 01:15:12,840
experiences featuring weird entities

2017
01:15:16,669 --> 01:15:15,420
though the experiences were nuts and

2018
01:15:19,610 --> 01:15:16,679
awesome

2019
01:15:21,169 --> 01:15:19,620
sometimes I had experiences with Goofy

2020
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:21,179
flying meatballs through the wall that

2021
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,440
laughed at me and played pranks so it's

2022
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,520
like you know it's like I you know they

2023
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,920
you know the idea that and I I listen to

2024
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:27,600
comedians describe theirs and they

2025
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:29,100
they're you know they'll they're going

2026
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:31,080
to a goofy City with cartoons telling

2027
01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:32,400
them stories and jokes and it's like you

2028
01:15:36,410 --> 01:15:34,860
know I see a very I just feel like it's

2029
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:36,420
the exact same thing as well life is in

2030
01:15:40,430 --> 01:15:38,100
general it just puts it all into a

2031
01:15:42,830 --> 01:15:40,440
jumbled awesome theater of things but

2032
01:15:44,689 --> 01:15:42,840
but there are some times like I had an

2033
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:44,699
ego death moment that like that people

2034
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,380
described and I've read and people

2035
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,000
described it as an ego death and sure

2036
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:50,280
enough it was it was that and then some

2037
01:15:54,890 --> 01:15:52,679
I was crying my eyes out for the entire

2038
01:15:57,410 --> 01:15:54,900
trip I could not stop like it was just

2039
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,420
awful I feel like it was insane uh and

2040
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:00,239
you I opened my eyes multiple times and

2041
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,860
I basically had to watch it over

2042
01:16:05,090 --> 01:16:03,360
everything around me I could see my feet

2043
01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,100
on the bed it was awful it was just nuts

2044
01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:07,860
uh but there is a there is a cool aspect

2045
01:16:14,590 --> 01:16:11,159
to it that is I believe personal

2046
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,600
I just think it's the the the the the

2047
01:16:18,290 --> 01:16:16,320
you know the same thing we're talking

2048
01:16:21,649 --> 01:16:18,300
about here the the you know just the

2049
01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:25,970
and socializing it and and making it uh

2050
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:27,300
um almost like

2051
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:28,980
the internet before the internet was

2052
01:16:31,729 --> 01:16:30,239
around for the public like it was just

2053
01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:31,739
like this way I just heard so many

2054
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:33,239
people my entire life describe it and

2055
01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:35,820
when I did so many Trials of these and

2056
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:37,620
I've only done dimethyltriplane and and

2057
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:39,540
mushrooms and I you know I tried a few

2058
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,800
other things but I did not like them so

2059
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:42,480
I just went back to the other the other

2060
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:43,860
ones but um

2061
01:16:48,290 --> 01:16:46,560
I mean I did the first one like really I

2062
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:48,300
did it in a way that you couldn't get

2063
01:16:52,010 --> 01:16:50,219
any more uh clinical

2064
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:52,020
um and uh that was for you know to

2065
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,280
recognize well maybe the effects from

2066
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,960
for PTSD which I wouldn't say there was

2067
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:56,400
any major change for dimethyltry playing

2068
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:58,080
PTSD but

2069
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:59,520
um

2070
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:01,380
I don't think it's a part of any type of

2071
01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,120
Consciousness thing I do think it's a

2072
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,800
part of your own con like I feel like

2073
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:06,960
we're you know the brain just is one

2074
01:17:10,430 --> 01:17:08,820
great simulation maker and boy oh boy

2075
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:10,440
can make some amazing simulations when

2076
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:11,760
you're on some psychedelics it's like

2077
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:14,159
it's just doing it on its own

2078
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:15,840
um but I'd love to share an experience

2079
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:17,400
with you guys uh but have you is

2080
01:17:20,570 --> 01:17:19,320
everyone here done dimethyl tripling has

2081
01:17:23,090 --> 01:17:20,580
anyone else know

2082
01:17:24,649 --> 01:17:23,100
no just the magic mushrooms here magic

2083
01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:24,659
mushrooms

2084
01:17:31,390 --> 01:17:27,020
a lady never

2085
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:33,350
for the special occasion I'm even

2086
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:36,120
wearing my Sonoran Desert toad

2087
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:38,520
tripping shirt

2088
01:17:45,709 --> 01:17:41,340
it's obviously giving it away but

2089
01:17:48,649 --> 01:17:45,719
um it's not DMT it's bufo right but uh

2090
01:17:50,689 --> 01:17:48,659
same kind of universe I guess yeah yeah

2091
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:50,699
I have had similar experiences on two

2092
01:17:53,149 --> 01:17:51,900
different drugs which I thought was

2093
01:17:54,850 --> 01:17:53,159
interesting

2094
01:17:57,649 --> 01:17:54,860
um first I want to say this that first

2095
01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:57,659
dimethylprying experience I took it in

2096
01:18:02,209 --> 01:18:00,360
the entire world uh

2097
01:18:03,770 --> 01:18:02,219
um turned into dust and every little

2098
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:03,780
character and symbol that I've ever seen

2099
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:06,060
in my life in any way I've ever picked

2100
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,260
it up showed up in front of me and

2101
01:18:11,390 --> 01:18:08,880
everything Venice I can hear someone

2102
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:11,400
myself coming back pretty loud if uh I

2103
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,840
don't know whose speaker that is whose

2104
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:14,400
microphone that might be

2105
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:17,280
is that me no it was Louis it's fixed

2106
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,600
okay

2107
01:18:21,290 --> 01:18:20,159
um the uh

2108
01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:21,300
the

2109
01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:22,140
um

2110
01:18:28,189 --> 01:18:25,080
I I was laying on on a on a bed in a in

2111
01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:28,199
a doctor's office and uh overlooking a

2112
01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:32,460
beautiful uh Mount Rainier View and I um

2113
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:35,340
I went on a journey and the craziest

2114
01:18:38,570 --> 01:18:37,140
thing in my life happened I saw this

2115
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:38,580
giant Cloud up here in front of me like

2116
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,440
a pillar of clouds up here and the whole

2117
01:18:43,610 --> 01:18:42,000
world melt away I'm in a black room and

2118
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,620
I jolt it out of my body and I could see

2119
01:18:48,110 --> 01:18:46,140
myself in third person like like the

2120
01:18:50,750 --> 01:18:48,120
motion was it was very strange and uh

2121
01:18:52,189 --> 01:18:50,760
and I'm and I sat there saying this

2122
01:18:53,630 --> 01:18:52,199
Mantra over and over again because they

2123
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,640
they gave me this you know they told me

2124
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,719
to come up with something that they

2125
01:18:59,149 --> 01:18:56,400
wanted me to if they thought would fix

2126
01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:59,159
that was part of this whole trial here

2127
01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:01,260
was to like basically adapt some sort of

2128
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,040
other

2129
01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:05,280
you know Shaman I'm not sure what we're

2130
01:19:08,689 --> 01:19:07,320
talking about here but anyways uh I'm

2131
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,699
saying it you know I'll tell people it

2132
01:19:12,649 --> 01:19:10,080
had a lot to do with just like getting

2133
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:12,659
sleep and not getting in altercations

2134
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,280
and things like that

2135
01:19:19,490 --> 01:19:16,320
um and uh

2136
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:19,500
uh I I'm saying this even in the trip I

2137
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,480
can literally say myself see myself

2138
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:23,520
saying it and I'm saying it over and

2139
01:19:26,689 --> 01:19:25,020
over again and suddenly out of the basis

2140
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:26,699
Cloud all these little orbs start

2141
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:27,780
shooting out and they're coming out in

2142
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:29,340
twos and threes I mean when I was

2143
01:19:32,450 --> 01:19:30,540
watching them they were coming out like

2144
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:32,460
really fast like

2145
01:19:35,149 --> 01:19:34,020
like just the shooting out of the bottom

2146
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:35,159
this thing really far away I couldn't

2147
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:37,020
range how far it is but they would

2148
01:19:40,130 --> 01:19:38,280
eventually come up to me and inside

2149
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:40,140
these orbs was the faces of basically

2150
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:41,760
the goofiest Critters you ever saw in

2151
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:43,260
your life some of them looked almost

2152
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:46,080
like an animal on Earth with a more of a

2153
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:48,179
you know evolved state or something and

2154
01:19:51,530 --> 01:19:49,560
other ones look like nothing that you

2155
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:51,540
could even describe but two of them came

2156
01:19:55,070 --> 01:19:52,980
really close to me like they were almost

2157
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:55,080
greeting me like what's who's this here

2158
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:56,880
like that's what it almost felt like and

2159
01:20:00,530 --> 01:19:59,100
I'm sitting there being like I will get

2160
01:20:04,130 --> 01:20:00,540
a good sleep like I'm just saying this

2161
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:04,140
Mantra and they in in in I saw them and

2162
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:05,580
it was so crazy because that's how

2163
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:07,380
that's all these psychedelics are I mean

2164
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:09,300
I cannot believe what happens in there

2165
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,920
but I'm not openly convinced it's

2166
01:20:16,430 --> 01:20:13,440
anything special but these things

2167
01:20:18,649 --> 01:20:16,440
responded in such a specific way it was

2168
01:20:20,209 --> 01:20:18,659
like the most real movie or dream ever

2169
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,219
they both responded like they were

2170
01:20:23,870 --> 01:20:22,620
freaked out that I wasn't adjusting to

2171
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:23,880
whatever this was and I was just saying

2172
01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:25,500
it so I even said to myself oh my God

2173
01:20:28,970 --> 01:20:27,420
they can hear me and I shut up

2174
01:20:30,169 --> 01:20:28,980
and I just stopped talking and I was

2175
01:20:31,970 --> 01:20:30,179
like what the hell is that and they all

2176
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:31,980
kind of backed up and went away and then

2177
01:20:35,209 --> 01:20:33,900
none of them none of them came to me but

2178
01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:35,219
I watched them as they came out of this

2179
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:37,080
cloud and twos and threes just rocketing

2180
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,699
out and they would go back in and

2181
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,760
whatnot and then suddenly I looked and I

2182
01:20:45,950 --> 01:20:43,920
could see up in the cloud there was this

2183
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:45,960
face that was in the cloud it took up

2184
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:48,120
the whole cloud and out of the top was

2185
01:20:52,490 --> 01:20:50,520
these two huge black guys jutting out

2186
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:52,500
the side and it wasn't anything like

2187
01:20:56,209 --> 01:20:53,880
some sort of gray alien or anything it

2188
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:56,219
reminded me very much like a horse you

2189
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:58,020
know I've spent a lot of my life riding

2190
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:00,300
horses I spent a ton of my life looking

2191
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:02,400
at a horse face to face I'm not

2192
01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:04,500
surprised I saw a horse

2193
01:21:08,209 --> 01:21:06,840
um but then something really weird

2194
01:21:10,130 --> 01:21:08,219
happened where I could hear my own voice

2195
01:21:12,229 --> 01:21:10,140
in my head having a conversation with me

2196
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:12,239
and it said and I'm like and literally

2197
01:21:15,649 --> 01:21:13,679
in this trip I'm thinking this thing

2198
01:21:17,570 --> 01:21:15,659
just induced like psychosis but I was

2199
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:17,580
panicking I was like holy [\h__\h] this is

2200
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:20,640
crazy and it started telling me uh

2201
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:22,380
something I was like why are you the

2202
01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:24,179
only one here not showing yourself is

2203
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:26,100
what I said and I said because the last

2204
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:27,840
time I showed myself to you

2205
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:31,440
I scared you and I sh it like shot me

2206
01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:33,179
back in this weird flash of scenes so

2207
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,500
when I was in high school with all my

2208
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:35,760
friends right as I was leaving for the

2209
01:21:39,410 --> 01:21:37,500
Army I used to go to this place to train

2210
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,420
all the time we'd you know I was

2211
01:21:42,169 --> 01:21:40,800
learning the Infantry handbook out there

2212
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:42,179
and just learning how to be a soldier

2213
01:21:45,890 --> 01:21:43,560
before I even went to the Army with the

2214
01:21:47,090 --> 01:21:45,900
recruiters and stuff and uh I was there

2215
01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:47,100
with my friends and we saw this

2216
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:49,020
horse-headed looking dude I mean he

2217
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:50,460
literally looked like I had a horse head

2218
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,380
standing in a window banging on the

2219
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:54,000
window at us and we all looked at him

2220
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,900
with flat with these two huge

2221
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:56,280
flashlights and we all ran for our lives

2222
01:21:59,630 --> 01:21:57,960
when we he banged again and this girl

2223
01:22:01,729 --> 01:21:59,640
Kaylee saw him and we freaked out but it

2224
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,739
was it was to this day I'm just thinking

2225
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:04,320
somehow some way you know that some guy

2226
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:06,120
I was able to trick us or something I

2227
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:07,860
don't know but it said last time I

2228
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,140
showed myself to you I scared you and it

2229
01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:12,239
showed me that scene and it was like I

2230
01:22:15,050 --> 01:22:13,560
was there I couldn't tell the difference

2231
01:22:16,729 --> 01:22:15,060
between reality or whatever it was like

2232
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,739
I was back in high school right at the

2233
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,719
leave for the Army and seeing this thing

2234
01:22:24,410 --> 01:22:21,360
and I was like

2235
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,420
this is insane and as I thought like how

2236
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:25,679
crazy this all was and I couldn't

2237
01:22:28,669 --> 01:22:26,940
believe it was happening I zipped right

2238
01:22:30,410 --> 01:22:28,679
out of it ended I looked over at the

2239
01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:30,420
doctor and I stood up and literally

2240
01:22:34,669 --> 01:22:32,820
yelled how the [\h__\h] didn't you do that

2241
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:34,679
excuse my language I yelled at the

2242
01:22:37,790 --> 01:22:35,940
doctor how did you do that I was so

2243
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:37,800
confused I literally thought it was a

2244
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,440
joke like he had somehow didn't give me

2245
01:22:44,830 --> 01:22:42,480
a real drug he gave me something else

2246
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:44,840
that he was like it was so insanely real

2247
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,199
that I thought that he was experimenting

2248
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:51,060
on me when I thought I was part of an

2249
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:52,320
experiment that's literally how I

2250
01:22:57,530 --> 01:22:55,020
reacted to it because it was so real and

2251
01:22:59,990 --> 01:22:57,540
uh but it didn't make any sense but then

2252
01:23:01,729 --> 01:23:00,000
I did 10 trials nothing else crazy

2253
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:01,739
happened for the next nine really a lot

2254
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:02,520
of

2255
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:05,100
confirmation [\h__\h] like you hear

2256
01:23:09,229 --> 01:23:07,080
things about yourself that you already

2257
01:23:10,729 --> 01:23:09,239
know this isn't a revelation

2258
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:10,739
um which is common about ufology

2259
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:12,480
actually yes alien abduction is the same

2260
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:13,980
because people tell each other [\h__\h]

2261
01:23:18,050 --> 01:23:15,540
and they hear the same thing they want

2262
01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:18,060
to hear from the alien yes we all are

2263
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:20,760
one we all you know exactly we

2264
01:23:26,270 --> 01:23:24,000
everyone's won in this anyways

2265
01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:26,280
uh the last last trip I had the ego

2266
01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:28,620
death and that was uh that was wild that

2267
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:30,120
was I came out of it believing someone

2268
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:32,520
wrote about purgatory based off of

2269
01:23:35,209 --> 01:23:34,140
something similar to that because I was

2270
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:35,219
so convinced that that's what it was

2271
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,080
like was wild I saw every bad thing I

2272
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,360
ever done and then all was forgiven

2273
01:23:42,169 --> 01:23:41,280
after a laser light show shot me to

2274
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:42,179
pieces

2275
01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:46,380
on a weird gyroscope scenario and then I

2276
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,920
saw a big fat boot ahead in the sky not

2277
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:51,960
like the Buddha but like the Buddha monk

2278
01:23:56,090 --> 01:23:54,420
you know the and I rocketed through him

2279
01:23:57,890 --> 01:23:56,100
and he burst into a million pieces and

2280
01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:57,900
became the stars and I went to a white

2281
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,400
place and as soon as I got to the white

2282
01:24:03,410 --> 01:24:01,440
place it ended I couldn't remember

2283
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,420
anything but it was

2284
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,760
I saw every negative thing I've ever did

2285
01:24:08,810 --> 01:24:07,440
in my life and I can't believe it

2286
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:08,820
because it actually showed me stuff that

2287
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,460
I forgot and it was pretty wild I mean

2288
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:13,739
one time I put horse crap on some kid's

2289
01:24:21,550 --> 01:24:16,800
bed and and I showed me

2290
01:24:27,290 --> 01:24:25,310
by putting poop on his bed and uh it

2291
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:27,300
reminded me of that in this trip I had I

2292
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:28,860
had no recollection of it whatsoever but

2293
01:24:33,229 --> 01:24:30,840
I sat and watched myself and I literally

2294
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:33,239
was like oh my God I'm terrible but it

2295
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:35,520
was all like these really minor negative

2296
01:24:38,510 --> 01:24:37,440
choices in life it was like some of them

2297
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,520
were worse like I I remember

2298
01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:40,800
specifically I broke up with a woman and

2299
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:44,820
I like clearly she was heartbroken and I

2300
01:24:48,350 --> 01:24:46,800
did the worst thing possible which was

2301
01:24:51,290 --> 01:24:48,360
ignore it

2302
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:51,300
I literally ignored the situation in

2303
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:53,219
that case where like I didn't give her

2304
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:55,800
any closure any resolution anything I

2305
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,860
was just so out of it that I like and it

2306
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:01,199
it treated that for some reason as one

2307
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,580
of the more Monumental moments of my

2308
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:04,860
life not the time in war not what I had

2309
01:25:09,649 --> 01:25:06,780
to do as a soldier

2310
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:09,659
um but literally moments like that it

2311
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:11,940
was more specific about look what you

2312
01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:13,980
did here do you realize what you did to

2313
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:16,460
this other person like you it was

2314
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,400
weird how much it focused on the love

2315
01:25:26,450 --> 01:25:22,560
aspect of things it showed me all the

2316
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,460
times I was a jerk little kid but uh but

2317
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:28,800
it also was was that uh that experience

2318
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:30,360
was DMT as well is that right

2319
01:25:33,890 --> 01:25:32,280
methotriptyline yeah the mushrooms were

2320
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:33,900
all other wild stuff but the dimethyl

2321
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:35,340
drip flame was that that was the final

2322
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,020
one yeah that was uh I have never done

2323
01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:39,360
it since I thought well I learned enough

2324
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:40,739
that was good enough for me I'm not

2325
01:25:44,570 --> 01:25:42,960
gonna linger here and pretend like I'm

2326
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,580
gonna gain answers one day which I have

2327
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:46,080
seen people do right in front of me to

2328
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,520
the point where they become like a

2329
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:49,199
dimethyl tripling Channel

2330
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:52,560
they just wanted a GMT all the time but

2331
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:55,199
uh yeah that was I will say for all the

2332
01:25:58,490 --> 01:25:56,940
people that ever talk about love and it

2333
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:58,500
being all you know I mean it was

2334
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:01,080
remarkable how this weird light energy

2335
01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:03,120
in space looking at me or whatever the

2336
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:04,500
hell was going on

2337
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,340
showed me every time I I could have been

2338
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,040
kind when someone was truly loving me

2339
01:26:15,290 --> 01:26:13,980
and I chose even it wasn't like a ton of

2340
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,300
time I'm like so I should walk I'm not

2341
01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:17,280
an [\h__\h] here I mean but it was it was

2342
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,620
clearly it specifically highlighted

2343
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:21,360
those times which was disturbing to me

2344
01:26:25,070 --> 01:26:23,340
because I'm not someone who spends time

2345
01:26:27,229 --> 01:26:25,080
reading about this or no I don't know

2346
01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:27,239
anything about any type of teaching them

2347
01:26:32,689 --> 01:26:29,580
I have heard people describe God as love

2348
01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:32,699
before but I mean you know I I it was

2349
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:33,840
just

2350
01:26:37,490 --> 01:26:35,880
I still think about that out of all my

2351
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:37,500
trips even though the weird alien talked

2352
01:26:46,910 --> 01:26:44,810
I've been breaking hearts ever since

2353
01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:46,920
it's interesting you touched on

2354
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,300
um kind of like the knowledge you

2355
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:50,880
experience in these trips uh is still

2356
01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:52,560
internal right it's all stuff you

2357
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:55,080
already know it makes me think of

2358
01:26:59,149 --> 01:26:57,239
um in the contacting movement or even uh

2359
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,159
aerial school when the aliens come down

2360
01:27:03,050 --> 01:27:00,960
and they're like worrying about the

2361
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:03,060
environment and it's not just like stuff

2362
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,159
you already know culturally it's that

2363
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:07,679
like the individualized approach to

2364
01:27:14,090 --> 01:27:10,320
combating uh climate change and stuff

2365
01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:14,100
like that when you know in reality like

2366
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:14,940
um

2367
01:27:20,030 --> 01:27:17,340
like EPA limitations on corporations and

2368
01:27:21,470 --> 01:27:20,040
stuff would do far greater difference to

2369
01:27:22,850 --> 01:27:21,480
change the environment but the aliens

2370
01:27:25,250 --> 01:27:22,860
are telling you the the kind of the

2371
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,260
message that you you get from culturally

2372
01:27:29,209 --> 01:27:27,600
anyway like do your part and reduce your

2373
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,219
carbon footprint yeah they're like

2374
01:27:33,709 --> 01:27:31,920
Captain Planet basically yeah yeah well

2375
01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:33,719
they're sent by the corporate entities I

2376
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,360
see what's going on now I I think that's

2377
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:40,790
well if you have anything more there

2378
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:41,940
because I do think of actually what

2379
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:43,199
you're saying about the aerial school

2380
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:44,760
kids specifically when it comes to what

2381
01:27:48,110 --> 01:27:46,260
they were shown and what was at the time

2382
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:48,120
and how we as ufologists have kind of

2383
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:49,860
filled in the idea that well they must

2384
01:27:52,970 --> 01:27:51,179
have really experienced something and

2385
01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:52,980
they must have really had a vision and

2386
01:27:55,790 --> 01:27:54,360
then maybe they're having that Vision

2387
01:27:58,209 --> 01:27:55,800
because like that was going on at the

2388
01:28:01,930 --> 01:27:58,219
time Green Day Green Day

2389
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:01,940
Earth day was coming around

2390
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:04,380
that's right the secret song at the end

2391
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:06,420
that you had to wait for was great

2392
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:07,440
um

2393
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,159
bunch of things happening the recycling

2394
01:28:17,209 --> 01:28:15,600
symbol had come out and was spreading

2395
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:17,219
around the world at a time so we as you

2396
01:28:20,270 --> 01:28:18,480
follow just or whatever we call

2397
01:28:23,090 --> 01:28:20,280
ourselves I don't know what uh all these

2398
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:23,100
years later look back at that when I

2399
01:28:25,729 --> 01:28:24,420
first of all I don't even think the

2400
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,739
event happened the way we all think it I

2401
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:27,120
think that guy Gideon nailed it when he

2402
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:28,199
said the puppet thing was happening

2403
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:29,400
because honestly God when you look at

2404
01:28:33,709 --> 01:28:31,620
the puppets it's so good it's like holy

2405
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:33,719
cow I was a child yes you would look up

2406
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:36,300
that giant thing in the woods but

2407
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,320
it's just how uncreative certain aspects

2408
01:28:45,169 --> 01:28:42,960
of ufology can be rather than I think

2409
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:45,179
subjectively interpreting what was said

2410
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,760
or or even you know like the idea of I I

2411
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:50,159
honestly God think it's just a a lack of

2412
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:52,440
creativity because we all know they

2413
01:28:55,729 --> 01:28:53,760
could have done something so much more

2414
01:28:56,810 --> 01:28:55,739
and I'm not saying they're stupid kids

2415
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:56,820
they should have been no I mean

2416
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:00,300
literally what is sold to us what is

2417
01:29:03,950 --> 01:29:02,400
learned glean from these children by

2418
01:29:07,610 --> 01:29:03,960
these experts like John Mack and stuff

2419
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:07,620
they then take that and

2420
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:09,420
you know highlight these things and

2421
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:11,280
these things are not creative they're

2422
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:14,400
not really that way true

2423
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:16,920
the whole the whole the whole eth is

2424
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:19,199
isn't very creative in my opinion it's

2425
01:29:23,689 --> 01:29:21,480
just us projecting ourselves you know a

2426
01:29:26,689 --> 01:29:23,699
minute ago you you mentioned the the

2427
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,699
phrase God is love right

2428
01:29:30,290 --> 01:29:28,560
um and it it makes me wonder about

2429
01:29:32,350 --> 01:29:30,300
religion and

2430
01:29:35,209 --> 01:29:32,360
um how we kind of

2431
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:35,219
anthropomorphize God even like currently

2432
01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:37,980
as like a man

2433
01:29:41,930 --> 01:29:39,780
um I think my religious friends don't

2434
01:29:43,970 --> 01:29:41,940
actually see it that way you know it's a

2435
01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:43,980
very edgelord thing to say that like God

2436
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:47,460
is a man in the sky right but um

2437
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,100
one of my friends described God more as

2438
01:29:55,370 --> 01:29:51,840
kind of like a

2439
01:29:58,850 --> 01:29:55,380
a law a law or force of nature but it's

2440
01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:58,860
kind of our human tendency to just put

2441
01:30:04,610 --> 01:30:01,080
ourselves in everything and I think that

2442
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:04,620
does explain uh the eth I think it

2443
01:30:09,290 --> 01:30:08,159
explains ghosts too honestly

2444
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:09,300
um but yeah we're always we're always

2445
01:30:13,250 --> 01:30:10,980
putting ourselves in other things and

2446
01:30:15,410 --> 01:30:13,260
and like you said the eth it's like it's

2447
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,420
little men like us in vehicles just like

2448
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:17,280
us so yeah it's not it's not very

2449
01:30:24,410 --> 01:30:21,600
creative and the weird part is that you

2450
01:30:27,169 --> 01:30:24,420
know I I can't like I'm gonna be full on

2451
01:30:29,629 --> 01:30:27,179
here like an area that I'm in now

2452
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:29,639
there's been enough people that haven't

2453
01:30:34,189 --> 01:30:32,100
sold a paranormal story or told a

2454
01:30:36,050 --> 01:30:34,199
paranormal story I I guess in the

2455
01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:36,060
broader sense that's what it is but it's

2456
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,100
been resold

2457
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:40,800
as a paranormal event like for instance

2458
01:30:45,410 --> 01:30:42,719
I'm from an area known as the

2459
01:30:47,450 --> 01:30:45,420
Bridgewater Triangle it's been turned

2460
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:47,460
into this almost like gimmicky Place

2461
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,380
although it's there's no nothing special

2462
01:30:53,870 --> 01:30:51,840
about it's between two highways uh you

2463
01:30:55,070 --> 01:30:53,880
know and it's it's it's not looking too

2464
01:30:56,330 --> 01:30:55,080
great for the people in this area but

2465
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:56,340
anyway and plus the building on the

2466
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,760
swamp now but like the people here I've

2467
01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:01,920
had pretty remarkably weird experiences

2468
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:03,179
in the area but I'm not saying it's

2469
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:04,620
related to the year but like for

2470
01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:07,679
instance I see a giant snake I say giant

2471
01:31:12,350 --> 01:31:09,540
giant for the area

2472
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,360
um uh in a in a um an alligator snapper

2473
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,400
in the area and I have people tell me

2474
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,040
that they're not an alligator snapper

2475
01:31:21,530 --> 01:31:19,800
that's something else it's it's the it's

2476
01:31:23,209 --> 01:31:21,540
the triangle

2477
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:23,219
no it's a person that released an

2478
01:31:26,990 --> 01:31:24,960
alligator snapper 100 years ago and it

2479
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:27,000
survives by bettering itself down in the

2480
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:29,460
muck and and we have people retelling

2481
01:31:34,189 --> 01:31:32,639
other people's stories and then I think

2482
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,199
these people go some years where they

2483
01:31:37,610 --> 01:31:36,239
start to almost defend the position that

2484
01:31:40,490 --> 01:31:37,620
they've been put in

2485
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:40,500
I I swear because I don't really believe

2486
01:31:43,970 --> 01:31:42,120
they interpreted these things or or

2487
01:31:46,610 --> 01:31:43,980
oftentimes or even it's like

2488
01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:46,620
subjectivity perception thing I think I

2489
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:48,360
think the story is that they saw an

2490
01:31:52,669 --> 01:31:50,760
effing snake and years later someone

2491
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,679
said they saw a ghost snake or a serpent

2492
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:54,719
or a freaking giant or a morphing and we

2493
01:31:57,530 --> 01:31:56,159
gotta really be careful with the apology

2494
01:31:59,209 --> 01:31:57,540
when we do that because I've noticed

2495
01:32:00,370 --> 01:31:59,219
that quite a bit actually in this area

2496
01:32:03,290 --> 01:32:00,380
where there's been a lot of

2497
01:32:05,930 --> 01:32:03,300
investigative groups Taps the ghost

2498
01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:05,940
hunters and all these you know they'll

2499
01:32:10,669 --> 01:32:07,620
they'll take someone's story and they'll

2500
01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:10,679
just like repackage it and then I don't

2501
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:11,820
know why some people defend this story

2502
01:32:16,669 --> 01:32:13,920
but I I tend to think that that's that

2503
01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:16,679
we we try to

2504
01:32:20,209 --> 01:32:18,780
obviously I understand subjectivity I'm

2505
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:20,219
not going to just Breeze over it like

2506
01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:22,860
perception doesn't mean in what's in our

2507
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,360
minds isn't it I just feel like in

2508
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:26,880
general we we tend to re interpret a

2509
01:32:30,530 --> 01:32:28,860
retelling and the retelling is look at

2510
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,540
how subjective it was to what was going

2511
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:31,679
on in the world it's really ridiculous

2512
01:32:35,330 --> 01:32:34,020
it's just the bad authors the person

2513
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:35,340
really just told the story about a snake

2514
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:37,199
and it's not I mean it's I started to

2515
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:39,420
see that all over the place

2516
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:40,380
sorry

2517
01:32:45,290 --> 01:32:43,800
I'm an idiot I apologize hey so Jeff

2518
01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:45,300
um we have a question coming in from

2519
01:32:50,870 --> 01:32:49,139
audience number Mark leberer who's

2520
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:50,880
asking if you can speak to whether you

2521
01:32:56,090 --> 01:32:53,280
think the USA has reverse engineered and

2522
01:32:58,850 --> 01:32:56,100
mastered anti-gravidics from recovered

2523
01:33:30,370 --> 01:32:58,860
ET vehicles

2524
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:35,030
of course oh man it's um it's

2525
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,320
um I I personally don't believe so I

2526
01:33:41,870 --> 01:33:39,360
just don't believe so because the crash

2527
01:33:45,050 --> 01:33:41,880
story is too similar to and they would

2528
01:33:49,250 --> 01:33:45,060
be in the same group I guess but you if

2529
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:49,260
someone's job is 99.9 crash recovery of

2530
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:52,679
foreign assets be them planes or

2531
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,239
satellites or balloons or whatever we

2532
01:33:58,910 --> 01:33:56,639
just saw and and then we're supposed to

2533
01:34:00,890 --> 01:33:58,920
pretend that there's this huge part of

2534
01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:00,900
the these people's jobs which is dealing

2535
01:34:06,430 --> 01:34:03,540
with this constant problem of aliens

2536
01:34:10,270 --> 01:34:08,689
I don't understand that at all and I

2537
01:34:12,229 --> 01:34:10,280
don't think it's supported by anything

2538
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:12,239
anti-gravity is kind of interesting to

2539
01:34:17,330 --> 01:34:15,300
me does it does that mean it's just an

2540
01:34:19,370 --> 01:34:17,340
equal and opposite Force

2541
01:34:21,649 --> 01:34:19,380
of gravity what is anti-gravity supposed

2542
01:34:24,410 --> 01:34:21,659
to be actually in the lore

2543
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,420
I think um first we have to go back all

2544
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:26,880
the way to the mid-1800s when people are

2545
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:29,400
figuring out figuring out

2546
01:34:34,129 --> 01:34:31,620
um and just experimenting entirely uh

2547
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:34,139
with new gases in in compressed States

2548
01:34:38,750 --> 01:34:36,300
and putting them in bag you know

2549
01:34:41,149 --> 01:34:38,760
different types of materials like

2550
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:41,159
you know oiled silks and a loot and then

2551
01:34:44,510 --> 01:34:42,719
someone comes up with aluminum and holy

2552
01:34:46,550 --> 01:34:44,520
cow it's the same shape and different

2553
01:34:48,050 --> 01:34:46,560
way so we're talking about a time where

2554
01:34:50,510 --> 01:34:48,060
people were nicknaming things like

2555
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,520
literally anti-gravity yeah and you can

2556
01:34:55,129 --> 01:34:52,800
see that there's people and inventors

2557
01:34:57,649 --> 01:34:55,139
out there they're like oh I swear I've

2558
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,659
got the anti-gravity ether and like

2559
01:35:00,290 --> 01:34:59,040
they're calling it as and we find out

2560
01:35:01,550 --> 01:35:00,300
later it's like they're working like

2561
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,560
hydrogen or something and they're trying

2562
01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:03,840
to figure out how to make things and and

2563
01:35:08,330 --> 01:35:05,460
that evolution

2564
01:35:11,030 --> 01:35:08,340
in dirigibles never went away because

2565
01:35:14,810 --> 01:35:11,040
that was just like a gimmicky name for

2566
01:35:17,810 --> 01:35:14,820
beating what keeps us rooted here and so

2567
01:35:20,270 --> 01:35:17,820
uh it's I don't

2568
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,280
I don't believe that there is an

2569
01:35:24,830 --> 01:35:22,080
anti-gravity

2570
01:35:26,030 --> 01:35:24,840
I I and maybe maybe I'm just crazy and I

2571
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:26,040
don't know enough about things but I

2572
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:27,360
just personally don't believe in the

2573
01:35:30,910 --> 01:35:29,340
term anti-gravity but the ufology sense

2574
01:35:33,950 --> 01:35:30,920
of it is something that somehow reverses

2575
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,960
gravity and uses it as a force to propel

2576
01:35:38,390 --> 01:35:36,239
itself away from that gravity Source or

2577
01:35:42,350 --> 01:35:38,400
whatever it in fact doesn't matter it

2578
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:42,360
used to propel itself in any direction I

2579
01:35:45,970 --> 01:35:43,920
you'd have to be greater than gravity

2580
01:35:51,129 --> 01:35:45,980
then right if you're propelling yourself

2581
01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:53,570
yeah right I mean how much of this is

2582
01:35:57,709 --> 01:35:56,100
science and how much of is it of it is

2583
01:35:59,870 --> 01:35:57,719
this kind of

2584
01:36:00,830 --> 01:35:59,880
collaborative

2585
01:36:04,490 --> 01:36:00,840
um

2586
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:04,500
mythology that's being yeah it's it's

2587
01:36:11,090 --> 01:36:07,800
mimetic yeah exactly exactly

2588
01:36:13,490 --> 01:36:11,100
well and let's also uh touch on um like

2589
01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:13,500
how it this language is so important to

2590
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:15,980
this whole thing right because

2591
01:36:20,750 --> 01:36:18,120
anti-gravity like you touched on Jeff

2592
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:20,760
like the first air balloon like is that

2593
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,800
anti-gravity like we don't know exactly

2594
01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:24,960
what gravity is still I mean it's like

2595
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:26,340
you know the curvature of space-time but

2596
01:36:28,910 --> 01:36:27,540
it's supposed to be projected by

2597
01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:28,920
something called the graviton which we

2598
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:31,440
have never found we've never observed

2599
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:32,880
one so we don't know what the mechanism

2600
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:35,280
is that even guides what we describe as

2601
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,800
gravity so we basically can describe an

2602
01:36:40,610 --> 01:36:39,360
effect a force we can make predictions

2603
01:36:42,110 --> 01:36:40,620
but we don't know what it is we don't

2604
01:36:43,550 --> 01:36:42,120
even like we have no idea what it

2605
01:36:45,229 --> 01:36:43,560
actually is that we're describing

2606
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:45,239
physically

2607
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:46,380
um and then we have things like the

2608
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:48,480
ignoble prize and I think it was 2000

2609
01:36:52,669 --> 01:36:51,060
right an anti-gravity machine where on

2610
01:36:57,010 --> 01:36:52,679
Earth's surface you could have a frog

2611
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,020
living floating uh in yeah

2612
01:37:01,250 --> 01:36:59,639
this electromagnetic effect but it

2613
01:37:03,649 --> 01:37:01,260
produces the impression of something

2614
01:37:05,050 --> 01:37:03,659
that is Defying Gravity now China has a

2615
01:37:08,510 --> 01:37:05,060
machine that you through

2616
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:08,520
electromagnetics can dial in the exact

2617
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:11,280
level of gravity in the machine so now

2618
01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:13,320
they're doing tests on different

2619
01:37:17,209 --> 01:37:15,480
materials inside this machine at the

2620
01:37:19,129 --> 01:37:17,219
moon's gravity level so is that

2621
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,139
anti-gravity I mean to me that's

2622
01:37:23,209 --> 01:37:21,360
anti-gravity but they aren't messing

2623
01:37:25,370 --> 01:37:23,219
with gravitons they're used doing an

2624
01:37:28,729 --> 01:37:25,380
electromagnetic effect

2625
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:28,739
um so yeah you mentioned Jeff about how

2626
01:37:34,010 --> 01:37:30,960
we've had the technology to produce

2627
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:34,020
these observed effects for a long time

2628
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:35,760
and we don't have to appeal to something

2629
01:37:41,570 --> 01:37:39,360
like anti-gravity to sort of produce

2630
01:37:44,750 --> 01:37:41,580
these effects why is it do you think the

2631
01:37:46,970 --> 01:37:44,760
people naturally leap past the most

2632
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,980
plausible explanation towards the most

2633
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,280
extreme

2634
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:51,360
because they don't understand how it

2635
01:37:56,030 --> 01:37:53,520
works and when you don't understand

2636
01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:56,040
something you're supposed the a

2637
01:38:01,070 --> 01:37:58,020
remarkable survival trait of the human

2638
01:38:03,709 --> 01:38:01,080
being is to dislike something you don't

2639
01:38:05,390 --> 01:38:03,719
understand followed by bludgeing it over

2640
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,400
the head

2641
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:08,639
they don't want the topic or to mash it

2642
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:11,699
into ideas that they do understand right

2643
01:38:16,250 --> 01:38:14,280
like to like mutilate it down into

2644
01:38:17,209 --> 01:38:16,260
Frameworks and ideas that do make sense

2645
01:38:19,790 --> 01:38:17,219
to them

2646
01:38:22,970 --> 01:38:19,800
I I think that's a perfect way to look

2647
01:38:25,729 --> 01:38:22,980
at it because the I said that I say that

2648
01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:25,739
jokingly but that actually has occurred

2649
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:27,120
if like I mentioned the balloons Landing

2650
01:38:31,370 --> 01:38:28,980
in the fields before but I mean the

2651
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,380
humans

2652
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:36,410
when you don't understand something you

2653
01:38:39,950 --> 01:38:38,340
want to know what it is right we all I'm

2654
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,960
not saying that people are like robots

2655
01:38:44,510 --> 01:38:41,760
they don't want to know what it is but

2656
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:44,520
there is a level of feeling almost like

2657
01:38:47,930 --> 01:38:45,600
secure

2658
01:38:50,330 --> 01:38:47,940
and we see that especially with the

2659
01:38:51,410 --> 01:38:50,340
truth Seeker Community where I shouldn't

2660
01:38:52,430 --> 01:38:51,420
say true stickers because that's the

2661
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:52,440
name of a show I'm not trying to point

2662
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,600
that out I mean literally

2663
01:38:57,470 --> 01:38:56,159
um the idea of people that are going to

2664
01:38:59,330 --> 01:38:57,480
figure this out for themselves and

2665
01:39:00,530 --> 01:38:59,340
that's I I do that often like I admit

2666
01:39:02,090 --> 01:39:00,540
that's something I do but I do like

2667
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:02,100
researching

2668
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,219
um I I feel like there's a little bit of

2669
01:39:09,110 --> 01:39:06,960
an assumption that if you don't

2670
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,120
understand something and you hear a

2671
01:39:12,770 --> 01:39:11,040
conspiracy that confirms it for you like

2672
01:39:15,110 --> 01:39:12,780
what you your hunch is it kind of breaks

2673
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:15,120
down easily it's empowering makes you

2674
01:39:20,510 --> 01:39:18,420
feel safe and it does exactly what human

2675
01:39:22,129 --> 01:39:20,520
instinct is anyways I believe which is

2676
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,139
to make sure something looks different

2677
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:24,000
or acts different you keep it away from

2678
01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:24,900
you

2679
01:39:29,390 --> 01:39:27,239
and that's like literally our weird

2680
01:39:31,790 --> 01:39:29,400
nature as I mean we're not all of us of

2681
01:39:34,490 --> 01:39:31,800
course and I'm talking on the individual

2682
01:39:37,850 --> 01:39:34,500
level but as a species we seem to be

2683
01:39:40,669 --> 01:39:37,860
rather good at security it seems to be a

2684
01:39:45,290 --> 01:39:40,679
feature that we you know we grow grew up

2685
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,300
with us as a as a as a um as a species

2686
01:39:49,790 --> 01:39:47,280
here on planet Earth I mean the comfort

2687
01:39:51,169 --> 01:39:49,800
of life and human ever I don't think

2688
01:39:53,390 --> 01:39:51,179
there was ever a time where humans even

2689
01:39:55,850 --> 01:39:53,400
the first version of us or whatever that

2690
01:39:57,290 --> 01:39:55,860
was was uh knew that security and

2691
01:39:58,250 --> 01:39:57,300
comfort is something that it wanted I

2692
01:40:00,830 --> 01:39:58,260
mean and

2693
01:40:02,450 --> 01:40:00,840
and I think that goes for not physically

2694
01:40:04,729 --> 01:40:02,460
speaking like security with a locked

2695
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:04,739
door with your weird camera on the front

2696
01:40:08,209 --> 01:40:05,940
door now

2697
01:40:10,250 --> 01:40:08,219
um to to even information that you even

2698
01:40:11,689 --> 01:40:10,260
let touch your ears and I like to

2699
01:40:13,370 --> 01:40:11,699
jokingly say it's the bank account

2700
01:40:16,129 --> 01:40:13,380
phenomenon because I'm especially poor

2701
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:16,139
is sometimes you can be so poor that you

2702
01:40:19,250 --> 01:40:17,520
don't even want to look at your account

2703
01:40:22,129 --> 01:40:19,260
because then you'll have to live with

2704
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:22,139
the reality of life oh my God that

2705
01:40:31,330 --> 01:40:29,450
I wonder if uh people feel uh more

2706
01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:31,340
comfortable with intuitional

2707
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,659
beliefs and then when those are

2708
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:35,760
confirmed by by French consumers because

2709
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:38,340
I think that um kind of the Flying

2710
01:40:41,870 --> 01:40:39,600
Saucer

2711
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:41,880
Superstition is an intuitional belief

2712
01:40:46,490 --> 01:40:43,860
just in the fact that we kind of

2713
01:40:49,310 --> 01:40:46,500
subconsciously arrive at it because

2714
01:40:51,530 --> 01:40:49,320
culturally we know you if you don't

2715
01:40:53,390 --> 01:40:51,540
think about UFOs you're you're a normie

2716
01:40:55,010 --> 01:40:53,400
and you see something weird in this guy

2717
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,020
I think culturally and subconsciously

2718
01:41:00,970 --> 01:40:57,840
you come to that conclusion that oh it's

2719
01:41:03,110 --> 01:41:00,980
it's nhi right so that's kind of your

2720
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:03,120
intuitional belief and then you meet

2721
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:04,920
others that kind of validate that and I

2722
01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:06,540
wonder if people

2723
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,380
um value that other more than kind of

2724
01:41:14,689 --> 01:41:12,239
like digging into it and finding it out

2725
01:41:16,189 --> 01:41:14,699
more because like it's uh it feels to

2726
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,199
them like an instant answer it's instant

2727
01:41:21,890 --> 01:41:19,199
gratification to a question they have

2728
01:41:23,330 --> 01:41:21,900
no I I couldn't I think you've nailed it

2729
01:41:25,250 --> 01:41:23,340
again I I mean I really do feel like

2730
01:41:28,010 --> 01:41:25,260
that's exactly what goes on and

2731
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,020
specifically it will it will always be a

2732
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:30,480
part of this culture because there is

2733
01:41:34,250 --> 01:41:32,520
that dissidence or whatever that that is

2734
01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:34,260
a part of it that lives at the very core

2735
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:36,840
of it that is not going to go away

2736
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:38,280
um and I think we're actually living at

2737
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:39,360
a time right now where you can see a

2738
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,860
great example of it because there's no

2739
01:41:44,510 --> 01:41:42,960
one knows it's the wild effing West out

2740
01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:44,520
there right now of ethology and no one

2741
01:41:48,109 --> 01:41:45,900
knows who to believe if you've got a

2742
01:41:49,370 --> 01:41:48,119
doctor with his own lab saying don't

2743
01:41:51,169 --> 01:41:49,380
trust him

2744
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:51,179
you've got a professional Pentagon

2745
01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:52,920
person going around saying don't trust

2746
01:41:55,490 --> 01:41:54,420
them meanwhile they got a picture hole

2747
01:41:57,470 --> 01:41:55,500
in the hands of them a week ago it's

2748
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:57,480
like there's so much you know confusion

2749
01:42:01,310 --> 01:41:58,800
out there that I think what happens as

2750
01:42:03,470 --> 01:42:01,320
well is that Normie sees the UFO and

2751
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,480
what they encounter before they

2752
01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:05,040
encounter another person speaking about

2753
01:42:10,070 --> 01:42:06,900
it is they encounter

2754
01:42:11,209 --> 01:42:10,080
a reflection of what exists in that era

2755
01:42:13,070 --> 01:42:11,219
and usually it's a manipulated

2756
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:13,080
reflection on Google with a really

2757
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:14,580
limited search engine a search result

2758
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:17,280
but it's it's it's what we have and what

2759
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:20,100
they see is this

2760
01:42:22,910 --> 01:42:21,840
what we have today and that's what they

2761
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:22,920
start off with

2762
01:42:27,470 --> 01:42:25,560
I wonder too uh Sarah schools who we had

2763
01:42:30,229 --> 01:42:27,480
on recently talked about kind of the

2764
01:42:32,510 --> 01:42:30,239
appeal of ufology being that it's a

2765
01:42:34,490 --> 01:42:32,520
Perpetual mystery and I which I agree

2766
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:34,500
with and that is the appeal that I see

2767
01:42:40,189 --> 01:42:37,920
in it yes but we also live in a society

2768
01:42:41,810 --> 01:42:40,199
that we kind of demand instant

2769
01:42:43,129 --> 01:42:41,820
gratification and instant answers you

2770
01:42:45,709 --> 01:42:43,139
know any question we have we can Google

2771
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:45,719
and there are there aren't authoritative

2772
01:42:48,649 --> 01:42:47,580
answers in this field do you think that

2773
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:48,659
that

2774
01:42:55,209 --> 01:42:53,040
figures in there kind of creates a like

2775
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,219
a vacuum almost to let these people

2776
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,600
these these figures we do have in the

2777
01:43:00,129 --> 01:42:59,280
field step up because they're kind of

2778
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:00,139
like

2779
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:04,320
needed by that urge to have a

2780
01:43:09,709 --> 01:43:07,500
you know instant answers

2781
01:43:11,390 --> 01:43:09,719
oh my gosh I think so for sure I think

2782
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:11,400
it's I think it'd be

2783
01:43:16,310 --> 01:43:15,000
well just the first thing is yes the I

2784
01:43:18,109 --> 01:43:16,320
when I worked in TV we had a thing

2785
01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:18,119
called the bigfoot show that had nothing

2786
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:20,820
to do with Bigfoot it was shows

2787
01:43:26,450 --> 01:43:23,340
featuring specifically you you wanted

2788
01:43:28,250 --> 01:43:26,460
things that had no answer and so that's

2789
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:28,260
really that so that was it like it was

2790
01:43:31,129 --> 01:43:29,820
it was one of the most alluring topics

2791
01:43:32,689 --> 01:43:31,139
is that you can go out there and you

2792
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:32,699
know you don't have to find anything but

2793
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:34,080
if you do

2794
01:43:37,970 --> 01:43:36,719
and it's uh it's just it's that's the

2795
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:37,980
way it is but

2796
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:40,800
um that that part of it I think is uh

2797
01:43:44,750 --> 01:43:43,020
as well like going back to what I said a

2798
01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:44,760
second ago that empowering thing happens

2799
01:43:48,649 --> 01:43:46,139
as well when you feel like you're a part

2800
01:43:51,169 --> 01:43:48,659
of solving the answer oh yeah and then

2801
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,179
before you even go to get the the leader

2802
01:43:55,310 --> 01:43:52,800
to get the answer if you feel like

2803
01:43:56,990 --> 01:43:55,320
you're you know anyone could pick up

2804
01:43:58,609 --> 01:43:57,000
some equipment right now and become a

2805
01:44:00,890 --> 01:43:58,619
ufologist start going into the history

2806
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,900
like I I send people right away to a few

2807
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:02,400
people out there just to if they want to

2808
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:04,500
see the the words on the page history

2809
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:06,540
from the archives and then I send them

2810
01:44:10,430 --> 01:44:09,119
to like the to uh like the Brewers out

2811
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:10,440
there to be like well understand that

2812
01:44:13,729 --> 01:44:11,699
some of those pages that you're looking

2813
01:44:16,430 --> 01:44:13,739
at have it you know have their origin

2814
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:16,440
certain places and and give them that in

2815
01:44:19,010 --> 01:44:17,760
the beginning and I know that might be a

2816
01:44:21,169 --> 01:44:19,020
little bit biased and subjective to

2817
01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:21,179
giving that first but it's the kind of

2818
01:44:26,990 --> 01:44:23,639
stop them right away to recognize this

2819
01:44:28,669 --> 01:44:27,000
is not an innocent passive topic this is

2820
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:28,679
a highly manipulated one that will all

2821
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:31,380
right so yeah the um the dun and Kruger

2822
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:32,880
effect is Alive and Well in this space

2823
01:44:37,609 --> 01:44:34,860
as well right and this comes up where

2824
01:44:39,890 --> 01:44:37,619
people yeah people have a very cursory

2825
01:44:42,830 --> 01:44:39,900
grasp or superficial understanding of

2826
01:44:45,050 --> 01:44:42,840
core theories that touch this subject

2827
01:44:48,290 --> 01:44:45,060
whether Consciousness or quantum physics

2828
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:48,300
or whatever and then

2829
01:44:52,010 --> 01:44:50,280
um based on this rudimentary knowledge

2830
01:44:54,649 --> 01:44:52,020
and understanding I assume that they

2831
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:54,659
understand and can apply the depth and

2832
01:44:58,669 --> 01:44:56,699
sophistication that is inherent to those

2833
01:45:00,410 --> 01:44:58,679
subjects and I feel like we have the

2834
01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:00,420
dunning-kruger effect going on and then

2835
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:02,940
we also have this ongoing broader

2836
01:45:06,530 --> 01:45:04,560
cultural

2837
01:45:08,450 --> 01:45:06,540
um denigration of credentialism that's

2838
01:45:10,370 --> 01:45:08,460
happening at a broad scale right now and

2839
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,380
we're especially seeing it and you

2840
01:45:15,290 --> 01:45:12,239
follow G because ufology has no

2841
01:45:18,370 --> 01:45:15,300
objective standards of background right

2842
01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:18,380
and you know and it does this kind of

2843
01:45:22,490 --> 01:45:20,760
schizo response where on the one hand

2844
01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,500
right we celebrate people that have

2845
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,480
highly credentialed backgrounds that

2846
01:45:28,370 --> 01:45:26,159
support this project because we say oh

2847
01:45:30,410 --> 01:45:28,380
look they went to XYZ University their

2848
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:30,420
PHD they've done all these research

2849
01:45:35,930 --> 01:45:33,600
projects but then at the same time

2850
01:45:38,450 --> 01:45:35,940
um readily lawed individuals that have

2851
01:45:40,609 --> 01:45:38,460
no kind of conventional credentials and

2852
01:45:43,390 --> 01:45:40,619
see them as like

2853
01:45:45,649 --> 01:45:43,400
um you know lay heroes in the subject

2854
01:45:47,629 --> 01:45:45,659
and I feel like in a lot of respects

2855
01:45:50,090 --> 01:45:47,639
like basically yeah right all of us yeah

2856
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:50,100
Nick is our resident dubious Layman

2857
01:45:53,810 --> 01:45:51,840
um I literally just found a new name for

2858
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:53,820
myself on like an online game tag I

2859
01:45:59,450 --> 01:45:56,719
cannot wait to change it to lay hero yes

2860
01:46:01,310 --> 01:45:59,460
right but but I you know I feel like we

2861
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:01,320
we see some of these broader cultural

2862
01:46:06,590 --> 01:46:03,360
Trends around

2863
01:46:09,410 --> 01:46:06,600
um the equalizing of all opinions

2864
01:46:11,390 --> 01:46:09,420
um filtering into uthology or in ufology

2865
01:46:15,109 --> 01:46:11,400
very much already where everybody's

2866
01:46:17,330 --> 01:46:15,119
opinions are inherently equal and it as

2867
01:46:20,570 --> 01:46:17,340
a result it creates like I think

2868
01:46:21,890 --> 01:46:20,580
extremely artificial

2869
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:21,900
um

2870
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,719
it it generates like almost artificial

2871
01:46:29,689 --> 01:46:27,360
trust in these ideas when people should

2872
01:46:32,030 --> 01:46:29,699
be far more critical about the the

2873
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:32,040
proposed Solutions or theories about

2874
01:46:35,470 --> 01:46:33,780
what's going on

2875
01:46:37,790 --> 01:46:35,480
I'm going to call them

2876
01:46:42,169 --> 01:46:37,800
nunning-kruger units

2877
01:46:44,209 --> 01:46:42,179
yeah I'm sorry anyways um Bitcoin

2878
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,219
there is um

2879
01:46:48,410 --> 01:46:47,040
there is a uh I do it to myself once in

2880
01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:48,420
a while and I really trip myself up and

2881
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,340
realizing like oh my God am I doing it I

2882
01:46:54,830 --> 01:46:52,320
gotta make sure but there is a little

2883
01:46:56,510 --> 01:46:54,840
bit of uh of that in all topic of all

2884
01:46:58,370 --> 01:46:56,520
parts of this but there's a little

2885
01:46:59,450 --> 01:46:58,380
gravity I I shouldn't have started with

2886
01:47:00,830 --> 01:46:59,460
that I guess there's a little gravity

2887
01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:00,840
around some of these larger figures

2888
01:47:04,609 --> 01:47:02,760
right like we know the names for a

2889
01:47:06,709 --> 01:47:04,619
reason right they've gained a little bit

2890
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:06,719
of attention right they they clearly

2891
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:08,580
have and they've and some of them are

2892
01:47:14,510 --> 01:47:10,739
pretty industrious and put in the work

2893
01:47:17,090 --> 01:47:14,520
but that participation in that that we

2894
01:47:19,070 --> 01:47:17,100
all have you know all all of our uh

2895
01:47:20,570 --> 01:47:19,080
all of our opinions matter

2896
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,580
um I think actually

2897
01:47:23,390 --> 01:47:22,080
was part of this place from the

2898
01:47:25,790 --> 01:47:23,400
beginning

2899
01:47:28,490 --> 01:47:25,800
um because the you know I I know I keep

2900
01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:28,500
I have like folk analogies and stuff but

2901
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:30,119
um I'm sailing and I get to a place

2902
01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:32,400
called boot key Harbor in Marathon floor

2903
01:47:35,629 --> 01:47:33,780
and I pull up and there's a place like

2904
01:47:36,410 --> 01:47:35,639
oh they're very nice people super nice

2905
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:36,420
people

2906
01:47:40,189 --> 01:47:38,520
um I mean evil at heart I think but uh

2907
01:47:41,810 --> 01:47:40,199
very nice to the stranger you know the

2908
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:41,820
white stranger that shows up uh they're

2909
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:43,560
like hey you want to come hang out with

2910
01:47:47,750 --> 01:47:46,080
us over at The Wisdom Tree the tree no

2911
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:47,760
the tree of the tree of wisdom the tree

2912
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,920
of wisdom which was just so it survived

2913
01:47:53,870 --> 01:47:51,360
the hurricane but it was it was this

2914
01:47:55,310 --> 01:47:53,880
huge uh like Willow looking I don't know

2915
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:55,320
what type of tree it was but they all

2916
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:58,260
sat underneath it and they all just I

2917
01:48:04,129 --> 01:48:01,760
mean from Chemtrails to

2918
01:48:06,890 --> 01:48:04,139
tabloid things you would heard back in

2919
01:48:08,450 --> 01:48:06,900
the 90s it was like this circular

2920
01:48:10,669 --> 01:48:08,460
information that never stopped and never

2921
01:48:12,590 --> 01:48:10,679
stopped just kept going on and on and I

2922
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,600
I see that so much with what's going on

2923
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:18,229
it it's it I think it's I think these

2924
01:48:23,689 --> 01:48:20,820
topics like this are best suited looking

2925
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:23,699
into a campfire they don't really fit a

2926
01:48:27,229 --> 01:48:25,800
hashtag UFO Twitter they don't really

2927
01:48:29,209 --> 01:48:27,239
fit any of that it doesn't make any

2928
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:29,219
effing sense we're trying to like add a

2929
01:48:32,450 --> 01:48:30,420
bunch of things together make nothing

2930
01:48:34,129 --> 01:48:32,460
there's no connection between them

2931
01:48:36,050 --> 01:48:34,139
whatsoever other than the fact that we

2932
01:48:37,490 --> 01:48:36,060
saw them in a region

2933
01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:37,500
and you know than when we were looking

2934
01:48:39,890 --> 01:48:38,760
up and that's like that's like the

2935
01:48:41,450 --> 01:48:39,900
similarities between a lot of these

2936
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,460
things and so I I just I don't know I

2937
01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:42,480
just feel like it's

2938
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:45,300
we we've got people that are

2939
01:48:48,290 --> 01:48:46,560
no I don't want to say it again because

2940
01:48:50,330 --> 01:48:48,300
I'll just say the same thing but I'll

2941
01:48:52,689 --> 01:48:50,340
say it on tagline this topic is fit for

2942
01:48:55,609 --> 01:48:52,699
looking into a campfire okay

2943
01:48:58,490 --> 01:48:55,619
yeah yeah it's definitely an Escapist

2944
01:48:59,870 --> 01:48:58,500
appeal to it you know what I mean so I

2945
01:49:02,689 --> 01:48:59,880
wonder

2946
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:02,699
um you know if the economy continues to

2947
01:49:08,510 --> 01:49:05,520
get worse if we'll see more uh more of a

2948
01:49:11,689 --> 01:49:08,520
you know boom right it's definitely an

2949
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:11,699
escape this uh topic for me you know I

2950
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,480
mean

2951
01:49:16,490 --> 01:49:14,880
it's and it's moving into like the you

2952
01:49:18,770 --> 01:49:16,500
know the Resurgence and sort of

2953
01:49:20,990 --> 01:49:18,780
individual spirituality

2954
01:49:22,729 --> 01:49:21,000
which people I feel like all this also

2955
01:49:24,590 --> 01:49:22,739
touches just sort of the dismantling of

2956
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,600
institutions of record right like

2957
01:49:28,729 --> 01:49:26,159
getting rid of views

2958
01:49:30,890 --> 01:49:28,739
you know what else it's also kind of a

2959
01:49:34,250 --> 01:49:30,900
it's a it's a community that's comprised

2960
01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:34,260
a lot of content consumption

2961
01:49:40,609 --> 01:49:37,380
um which can easily be moralized if you

2962
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,619
if you look at uh kind of the warring

2963
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:43,920
camps on UFO Twitter right now a lot of

2964
01:49:48,189 --> 01:49:45,900
it comes down to

2965
01:49:49,570 --> 01:49:48,199
um wouldn't know anything about it

2966
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,580
right right

2967
01:49:53,090 --> 01:49:52,080
[Laughter]

2968
01:49:55,609 --> 01:49:53,100
and

2969
01:50:00,530 --> 01:49:57,890
I lost my training

2970
01:50:02,330 --> 01:50:00,540
I just can I just add to that real fast

2971
01:50:03,649 --> 01:50:02,340
just yeah since I've only said a few

2972
01:50:05,930 --> 01:50:03,659
things since I've been on

2973
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:05,940
um there's uh there's

2974
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:08,639
um a clear you know a clear drive to

2975
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,280
like merge all these things together

2976
01:50:16,010 --> 01:50:13,920
um and people I think people from one

2977
01:50:18,890 --> 01:50:16,020
side of it like the ce5 side of things

2978
01:50:21,709 --> 01:50:18,900
would like some validation to what

2979
01:50:23,090 --> 01:50:21,719
they've been experiencing yeah that

2980
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:23,100
makes sense it's not fair right they

2981
01:50:27,890 --> 01:50:25,380
would like at least some validation they

2982
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:27,900
think they're getting that validation

2983
01:50:31,609 --> 01:50:30,480
from people that are talking about other

2984
01:50:33,890 --> 01:50:31,619
things

2985
01:50:34,970 --> 01:50:33,900
and they're not and I'm not guessing at

2986
01:50:37,490 --> 01:50:34,980
them talking about other things they're

2987
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:37,500
it's on the paperwork they've said it

2988
01:50:42,350 --> 01:50:39,840
they've celebrated the idea of balloon

2989
01:50:44,570 --> 01:50:42,360
observations these you know so I get

2990
01:50:48,050 --> 01:50:44,580
worried when we try to melt the topic

2991
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,060
down to a UFO hashtag and and and add

2992
01:50:54,910 --> 01:50:51,360
things as as as interesting and weird as

2993
01:50:58,430 --> 01:50:54,920
as like trying to summon a UFO as maybe

2994
01:51:00,830 --> 01:50:58,440
misidentifying something that

2995
01:51:02,510 --> 01:51:00,840
uh either the you know the the initial

2996
01:51:04,609 --> 01:51:02,520
Observer could not tell what it is but

2997
01:51:07,910 --> 01:51:04,619
maybe someone else could rather simple

2998
01:51:09,649 --> 01:51:07,920
rather easily 95 95 will say of

2999
01:51:10,729 --> 01:51:09,659
sightings I think can be explained I

3000
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:10,739
believe

3001
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:14,159
um and it's just it's it's it's it's I

3002
01:51:17,629 --> 01:51:15,119
think so

3003
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:17,639
um maybe that's why Skinwalker is so

3004
01:51:22,129 --> 01:51:19,380
popular because it's sort of mashing

3005
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:22,139
ghosts and UFOs and crap together it's

3006
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:24,239
the Disneyland like they said I mean all

3007
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:26,400
the things you want you got the the

3008
01:51:29,570 --> 01:51:27,719
the one what's your favorite what's

3009
01:51:31,550 --> 01:51:29,580
everyone's favorite uh thing from

3010
01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:31,560
Skinwalker Ranch I've never watched the

3011
01:51:35,629 --> 01:51:33,420
full episode

3012
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:35,639
yeah I used to watch Ghost Hunters

3013
01:51:39,709 --> 01:51:37,500
though and I feel like it's probably

3014
01:51:43,010 --> 01:51:39,719
basically the exact same show so I kind

3015
01:51:44,930 --> 01:51:43,020
of like you know the gist using uh using

3016
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,940
a bunch of like gadgets and stuff

3017
01:51:49,370 --> 01:51:46,800
outside of their intended purposes and

3018
01:51:51,490 --> 01:51:49,380
then uh you know if it if it beeps or

3019
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:51,500
something that's that's paranormal

3020
01:51:56,930 --> 01:51:55,440
is that it is that the show yeah they

3021
01:51:58,490 --> 01:51:56,940
have a couple scenes I've seen just of

3022
01:52:00,169 --> 01:51:58,500
that lightning detectors they walk by in

3023
01:52:02,510 --> 01:52:00,179
a battery with two wires coming off the

3024
01:52:03,950 --> 01:52:02,520
batter and they're like whoa what's

3025
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:03,960
happening here there's like some sort of

3026
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,520
open current near me I don't know if

3027
01:52:09,649 --> 01:52:08,159
that's the ground or I I loved it it was

3028
01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:09,659
it was very cute it reminded me of Mr

3029
01:52:13,729 --> 01:52:12,060
Wizard but not but really bad but about

3030
01:52:15,410 --> 01:52:13,739
you what about everyone else is there a

3031
01:52:18,530 --> 01:52:15,420
show that you that you're like you you

3032
01:52:22,430 --> 01:52:18,540
give into you wanna Art Bell Coast to

3033
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:24,470
Louis do you you don't nothing not at

3034
01:52:27,649 --> 01:52:25,679
the single thing out there what's

3035
01:52:29,629 --> 01:52:27,659
everyone's favorite regular normal show

3036
01:52:32,209 --> 01:52:29,639
right now anyone I must you must have a

3037
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:32,219
TV show I I've seen three shows in my

3038
01:52:36,590 --> 01:52:33,480
whole life I don't watch any television

3039
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:36,600
I never have okay well my favorite is um

3040
01:52:40,790 --> 01:52:39,780
Kunk on Earth with uh Philomena I've

3041
01:52:43,370 --> 01:52:40,800
heard that's good

3042
01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:43,380
yeah she's hilarious

3043
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:46,020
well my my favorite woo show is

3044
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:47,940
sightings the original sightings from

3045
01:52:55,390 --> 01:52:50,639
the 80s and 90s um I just started

3046
01:53:01,790 --> 01:52:59,030
yeah my yeah my close slap

3047
01:53:03,950 --> 01:53:01,800
what sorry I'm sorry my daughter has

3048
01:53:05,870 --> 01:53:03,960
been um encouraging me to watch Last of

3049
01:53:07,250 --> 01:53:05,880
Us I haven't sat down to do that yet I

3050
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:07,260
hear it's pretty good

3051
01:53:12,169 --> 01:53:09,719
but I don't know I heard it's a one sad

3052
01:53:14,090 --> 01:53:12,179
one sad I'm not into the Super sads of

3053
01:53:14,890 --> 01:53:14,100
anyone here I was a fan of the games I

3054
01:53:17,750 --> 01:53:14,900
don't know

3055
01:53:19,790 --> 01:53:17,760
they're very Bleak but yeah

3056
01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:19,800
yeah you're also like a little lighter

3057
01:53:24,590 --> 01:53:21,480
uh the White Lotus that was good stuff

3058
01:53:27,590 --> 01:53:24,600
season one and two oh very nice try nice

3059
01:53:28,729 --> 01:53:27,600
try a little lighter sir it's like a

3060
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:28,739
comedy

3061
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,960
ah yeah have you watched both seasons

3062
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:32,639
yeah the second season isn't as

3063
01:53:43,490 --> 01:53:42,109
for Pure like uh you know whatever woo I

3064
01:53:44,750 --> 01:53:43,500
actually like uh like theoretical

3065
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:44,760
physics stuff

3066
01:53:48,830 --> 01:53:46,380
um especially a podcast called physics

3067
01:53:51,709 --> 01:53:48,840
Frontiers they get into some of the most

3068
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:51,719
um unusual stuff that's not the

3069
01:53:56,270 --> 01:53:53,760
mainstream narrative

3070
01:53:58,910 --> 01:53:56,280
I am I I've been doing a lot of looking

3071
01:54:00,169 --> 01:53:58,920
I forgot that whole side of pot not like

3072
01:54:01,790 --> 01:54:00,179
I'm trying to rip people off but like

3073
01:54:03,649 --> 01:54:01,800
literally like you spend so much time

3074
01:54:05,629 --> 01:54:03,659
trying to dig into topics and you just

3075
01:54:07,010 --> 01:54:05,639
feel sometimes like well and I'm not

3076
01:54:09,590 --> 01:54:07,020
knowing it and not learning anything new

3077
01:54:10,970 --> 01:54:09,600
and you just forget there's there's all

3078
01:54:13,550 --> 01:54:10,980
these people doing the exact same thing

3079
01:54:14,870 --> 01:54:13,560
you are out there every time I'm working

3080
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,880
out or whatever I just have like people

3081
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:16,560
talking about I'm not not necessarily

3082
01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:18,000
military Tech but I actually like

3083
01:54:24,050 --> 01:54:21,020
recently have recognized I can tolerate

3084
01:54:25,490 --> 01:54:24,060
paranormal podcasts if I'm listening to

3085
01:54:27,410 --> 01:54:25,500
the audio thing while working out I

3086
01:54:28,970 --> 01:54:27,420
cannot sit and watch if someone was like

3087
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:28,980
watch Ancient Aliens and try to like

3088
01:54:33,169 --> 01:54:31,920
review this get it oh I actually had a

3089
01:54:34,010 --> 01:54:33,179
joke for a while then it worked for a

3090
01:54:34,910 --> 01:54:34,020
little bit on stage it wasn't the

3091
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:34,920
greatest but if you can make it through

3092
01:54:38,169 --> 01:54:36,239
a full episode of Ancient Aliens without

3093
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:38,179
going like like

3094
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:41,880
honestly involuntarily uh you're a

3095
01:54:45,709 --> 01:54:43,260
better person or you shouldn't have keys

3096
01:54:48,229 --> 01:54:45,719
to the internet I can't remember it was

3097
01:54:49,729 --> 01:54:48,239
it's a weird AI but the audio ones I'm

3098
01:54:50,689 --> 01:54:49,739
learning what I'm what happened I'm

3099
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:50,699
finding people that are a little

3100
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:52,860
analytical and they and they'll present

3101
01:54:57,169 --> 01:54:55,619
their best version of things and I I'm

3102
01:54:58,910 --> 01:54:57,179
liking that they're I'm recognizing

3103
01:55:01,149 --> 01:54:58,920
there's a world of people out there that

3104
01:55:04,609 --> 01:55:01,159
are trying to look at this without

3105
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:04,619
throwing away the idea but also

3106
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:05,520
um

3107
01:55:09,050 --> 01:55:07,199
you know introducing them telling the

3108
01:55:10,729 --> 01:55:09,060
public what actually exists I hate that

3109
01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:10,739
I cannot stand the experts that exist

3110
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:12,300
here they will like

3111
01:55:15,709 --> 01:55:13,920
they they tag everything with humans

3112
01:55:17,870 --> 01:55:15,719
can't do that it's so sick thing

3113
01:55:21,590 --> 01:55:17,880
well Jeff thank you so much for coming

3114
01:55:25,129 --> 01:55:21,600
uh as I uh told you uh fairly recently

3115
01:55:28,129 --> 01:55:25,139
you were one of my uh top uh podcasts on

3116
01:55:30,109 --> 01:55:28,139
Spotify last year um and the audio is uh

3117
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:30,119
you know it works very well so I would

3118
01:55:33,410 --> 01:55:31,800
recommend everybody else to check that

3119
01:55:35,570 --> 01:55:33,420
out too you can listen when you're like

3120
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,580
uh working out and stuff I really

3121
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:37,679
appreciate that and I paid him to say

3122
01:55:43,250 --> 01:55:41,699
that everyone yeah so Jeff bucks before

3123
01:55:45,530 --> 01:55:43,260
I kick you off the Stream

3124
01:55:47,390 --> 01:55:45,540
I've linked your show in the show in the

3125
01:55:51,410 --> 01:55:47,400
show's description

3126
01:55:54,649 --> 01:55:51,420
but where else can people find you

3127
01:55:56,450 --> 01:55:54,659
um I I you can find me

3128
01:55:58,910 --> 01:55:56,460
uh probably on a new show I'm putting

3129
01:56:00,830 --> 01:55:58,920
together right now uh for the daytime to

3130
01:56:05,090 --> 01:56:00,840
some degree because I would like to uh

3131
01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:05,100
get some other people involved because

3132
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:06,840
it's a little some dead ends happening

3133
01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:08,280
here but I'm getting some a little bit

3134
01:56:12,410 --> 01:56:09,600
of a team together

3135
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:12,420
um yeah I don't wanna I'll just say what

3136
01:56:15,709 --> 01:56:14,280
we got so far is like there's the idea

3137
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,719
and even having new people involved I've

3138
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,280
even spoken to I think Campbell I spoke

3139
01:56:21,169 --> 01:56:19,440
to you about a month ago but um yeah

3140
01:56:24,050 --> 01:56:21,179
like the idea like you know people want

3141
01:56:26,330 --> 01:56:24,060
a skeptical side of things and they but

3142
01:56:27,950 --> 01:56:26,340
they want to see the actual place they

3143
01:56:29,810 --> 01:56:27,960
don't want to watch a video they don't

3144
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,820
want to you know see a video video

3145
01:56:33,590 --> 01:56:31,440
analysis which so many networks have

3146
01:56:35,629 --> 01:56:33,600
relied on so we really like to put

3147
01:56:38,209 --> 01:56:35,639
something together where like the places

3148
01:56:39,470 --> 01:56:38,219
are visited or uh or at least some of

3149
01:56:40,609 --> 01:56:39,480
you there's like an expert team of

3150
01:56:41,870 --> 01:56:40,619
people that were willing to look at

3151
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,880
something

3152
01:56:45,229 --> 01:56:43,920
um and I don't know I we're working on

3153
01:56:47,689 --> 01:56:45,239
it but I have no faith that will go

3154
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,699
anywhere because 99 set of shows never

3155
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,400
make it anywhere and TV sucks YouTube's

3156
01:56:55,070 --> 01:56:53,280
way better now uh yeah I'm trying to I'm

3157
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:55,080
trying to invest into something that

3158
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,540
doesn't destroy my soul every day like I

3159
01:57:02,090 --> 01:56:59,040
don't think about doing yoga or

3160
01:57:03,709 --> 01:57:02,100
something I don't know beautiful all

3161
01:57:07,090 --> 01:57:03,719
right well Jeff thank you so much for

3162
01:57:07,100 --> 01:57:12,589
have a nice night

3163
01:57:18,350 --> 01:57:15,709
that was a fun one all right yeah

3164
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,360
I thought we were only about an hour in

3165
01:57:22,910 --> 01:57:20,400
yeah

3166
01:57:25,550 --> 01:57:22,920
all right what does everyone have going

3167
01:57:31,129 --> 01:57:28,550
yeah we have to stop with this every

3168
01:57:32,750 --> 01:57:31,139
week I know I know I I what I really

3169
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:32,760
need to start doing is asking all of you

3170
01:57:35,930 --> 01:57:34,320
before the show and saying all right

3171
01:57:37,790 --> 01:57:35,940
does anyone have updates all right so

3172
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:37,800
let me do I will do the updates I'll

3173
01:57:40,669 --> 01:57:39,599
carry the torch right now yeah please um

3174
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,679
so first

3175
01:57:44,089 --> 01:57:42,239
um I want to give a quick plug to the

3176
01:57:46,609 --> 01:57:44,099
upcoming UFO Heritage conference coming

3177
01:57:48,589 --> 01:57:46,619
up in Dayton Ohio in early may I will be

3178
01:57:50,990 --> 01:57:48,599
attending um this is organized by Kelly

3179
01:57:51,950 --> 01:57:51,000
Chase who has the UFO Rabbit Hole

3180
01:57:53,689 --> 01:57:51,960
podcast

3181
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:53,699
um it's something of it'll be a small

3182
01:57:56,570 --> 01:57:54,960
intimate thing it's written near Yellow

3183
01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:56,580
Springs Ohio which is a super awesome

3184
01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:57,960
little town

3185
01:58:01,729 --> 01:57:59,820
um at the Wright-Patterson Air Force

3186
01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:01,739
Base uh there's a hotel right there so

3187
01:58:04,970 --> 01:58:03,599
super cool place

3188
01:58:06,790 --> 01:58:04,980
um yeah I'll be out there it's May 5th

3189
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:06,800
and 6th you guys can check it out at

3190
01:58:11,629 --> 01:58:09,599
ufoheritage.com uh Diana posoka is one

3191
01:58:13,010 --> 01:58:11,639
of the headlining speakers uh pretty

3192
01:58:15,290 --> 01:58:13,020
cool

3193
01:58:17,810 --> 01:58:15,300
um and then coming up next week we have

3194
01:58:19,550 --> 01:58:17,820
Marco Visconti joining us just put out a

3195
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:19,560
book The Aleister Crowley manual all

3196
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:21,360
about the Western occult you know Sister

3197
01:58:26,570 --> 01:58:24,719
tradition type fascist and he'll be

3198
01:58:28,129 --> 01:58:26,580
talking with us about occultism just a

3199
01:58:30,169 --> 01:58:28,139
heads up that since he is dialing in

3200
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:30,179
from the UK we will be hosting at a

3201
01:58:34,250 --> 01:58:31,440
different time we'll be doing the show

3202
01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:34,260
at 3 pm Eastern instead of 9 p.m

3203
01:58:39,410 --> 01:58:36,360
um so folks should be prepared for that

3204
01:58:40,970 --> 01:58:39,420
and then uh right after him on the 8th

3205
01:58:42,649 --> 01:58:40,980
we will be doing an open lines episode

3206
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:42,659
just a nice little round table and

3207
01:58:46,729 --> 01:58:44,880
chance to connect with the audience so

3208
01:58:49,609 --> 01:58:46,739
if you're excited for what we've got

3209
01:58:52,250 --> 01:58:49,619
around the pike

3210
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:52,260
nice yeah very exciting I'm looking

3211
01:58:55,129 --> 01:58:53,760
forward to the open lines honestly it's

3212
01:58:59,089 --> 01:58:55,139
been a little while and those are always

3213
01:59:02,270 --> 01:58:59,099
very fun yes they are fun all right well

3214
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,280
on that note gentlemen have a wonderful

3215
01:59:05,930 --> 01:59:04,320
evening so great to see everyone tonight

3216
01:59:08,810 --> 01:59:05,940
and we will see you next Wednesday at

3217
01:59:13,950 --> 01:59:08,820
9pm take care

3218
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:32,050
[Music]

3219
01:59:32,060 --> 01:59:35,190
thank you

3220
01:59:52,450 --> 01:59:49,860
[Music]

3221
01:59:59,330 --> 01:59:52,460
[Applause]

3222
01:59:59,340 --> 02:00:10,150
foreign

3223
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:45,970
[Music]